I mean, most arenas DK is either top healer, or among the healers in healing done. Why is this not looked at?
He outhealed his own healer on that match.
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His healing to damage ratio seems to exactly fit the one of your Ele friend though, and yours is even higher.
All three are equally stupid, but I don’t see why the DK is the only one being called out here.
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Dks are anti casters. Most of that healing is from spellwarding and ams, maybe a couple fat death strikes after he was recently bursted. Nothing wrong here they have never and will never balance for 2v2 if you hate going against dks play a warr and enjoy it.
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Don’t think healing is the issue with DK, more the amount of DMG they output at the moment with abom limb, and that they are basically just shambling around through the arena after their cds run out, essentially can be ignored until their dmg window is back up.
+Abom limb is absolutely obnoxious with the random grabs.
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Except we’re playing with healer conduits and leggos, we need to hardcast A LOT, and I’m using a 1.5 min CD + 5 min CD, and we need to stop attacking to heal ourselves, and sacrifice a lot of damage in the whole process
Meanwhile the DK picks two talents, and that’s it, playing 100% offensive, without having to hardcast anything.
How is the healing “a non issue”? He literrally outheals mostly passively the casters damage?? He literally outhealed his own healer??? Hello?
And that seems actually seems okay and normal to you ?
On top of that it isn’t like you seem to sacrifice that much damage for it, looking at the scoreboard. Every non healer spec with significant off or self healing has stupid numbers at the moment. DK is far from the only one. To strengthen my point I will use one of your own arguments. Yes, the DK outhealed his healer. But your Elemental Shaman also outhealed the healer, and you are 2k away from doing it yourself. One more crit on a shield from you and the healer would have been dead last on the healing meters. As you can easily see it isn’t only DK that is the issue.
Again, so that it is very clear, in this arena you heal the same as the healing spec of your own class and your DPS partner outheals it. And then you come here claiming that in this screenshot the one issue is DK self healing. Grand delusions.
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Nope, it’s not normal. It’s literally a necessity because of this HORRID balance the game is in. In previous expansions we’d always manage to climb up to 2K - and it has become impossible with the current digusting state of the game and the absolute need to resort to this kind of stupidity
Sure, if you’re blind or something. He did twice as damage, but yea, we don’t sacrifice any, right? I mean, literally sacrificing dps talents, leggos and conduits, but you have the audacity of stating we don’t sacrifice much.
Did you miss the part the DK doesn’t sacrifice ANYTHING, and doesn’t cast ANYTHING to have that healing???
It’s very clear you’re shadenox, who loves to defend borken stuff and act oblivious
the problem with dk is that they are immortal against casters but can die against melees. Rune of spellwarding is just too much.
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Especially in my situation, where AMS provides full undispellable and unbreakable immunity to my whole toolkit cuz it has magic immunity embedded
As mentioned before, alot of his healing comes from Anti-Magic Shell, which is designed to counter casters in form of a huge magic damage absorb.
I don’t play DK, but everytime DK healing (in form of Deathstrike) has been made useless, the class as a whole usually becomes unviable to play. I don’t see an issue with it because DK is still relatively susceptible to physical damage (despite being in plate armor, lol), while being a very good anti-caster pick.
I think these complaints about DK are misplaced, I don’t see a problem in them sustaining themselves through healing, thats how the class always worked.
I see a problem with Chains of Ice spam, Random Abom Limb grips and the dispartiy between their burstwindow and their non-existant dmg outside of CDs, + the insane load of micro CC the class can bring to the game.
Quequeing into DK/Demolock/X might not be the hardest matchup to play against, but it sure is damn annoying to deal with the amount of low-CD micro CC being hurled your way constantly.
Problem is not the DK healing but the absurdly retarded damage that’s being done. If people were not getting hit by 30k normal templar verdicts and so on , this wouldn’t be problem at all since it heals for 40% of the dmg taken for last 5 sec. Game is terrible and everyone is being global’ed.
P.s go play a DK against jungle , turbo or fury/ret and have fun with ur 15k ds heals while eating 25k+ casual hits at the same time.
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I would be okay with Death Strike if properly balanced.
AMS and Rune though are way out of proportions in current state. I’m still wondering why in the world AMS has magic immunity and sits on such a low CD
True, thats also an important point, I think Deathstrike is somehow based on the incoming damage. Lemme link the tooltip for understanding, hope I get the current one.
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=49998/death-strike
25% of the damage taken in the last 5 seconds, so lets say you slap him with 2x 30k Templars verdict he heals back for 15k with one Deathstrike… I think, unless I failed the math rip. He can also press it again in the next global for another 15k, more if you keep hitting him. Not sure how Vers affects the healing though.
I mean, my Mind Blasts crit for like 7K in a sunny day. I have no way of breaking AMS with Mind Blasts and get no way close to anyh 20-30K hitting ability whatsoever.
On top of that, Rune has the most benefit against me because of dots proccing it more frequently. And now with AMZ buffed baseline… It’s just almost mechanically impossible for me to win against a DK
DK is extremely annoying to fight against as caster but I still prefer them over DH’s and rogues. Atleast you can kite away DK’s dmg but DH’s and rogues are basically impossible to outrun…
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Yeah for Spriest/affliction its not really feasible to go through AMS cause a big chunck if your DMG is in DoTs, which can’t be applied into AMS.
Because you and classes like affly rely mostly on dot damage which DK hard counters , believe me or not but casters like ele and boomy literally deplete my whole AMS with 2 globals when they’re with cd’s up. I feel the same as you against stuff like fury , they’re literally melting me no matter how terrible the player is.
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Yeah, it’s a bit sad how DK gets completely rolled over by almost any other melee, even more so with almost everyone having access to some form of healing reduction now. You can’t really kite them either, even with degen Chainspam because of the mobility creep.
I mean, playing as SP, every single melee cannot be outrun by me cuz I have zero mobility. With that in mind, at least can still put dots up on rogues and DHs. Against DK with a healer, and AMS imunity I can’t do anything of use. And if my DoTs are up, it proccs Rune of Spellwarding - there’s just no winning
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