Hello fellow Azeroth loyalists. Use this thread to explain to anyone why you like Baine so much. I am happy and eager to see if we all can come together in our united appreciation for that character. Peace and prosperity be with Baine. May his dedication pave the road to his success one day when the factions are united for peace and defence of Azeroth.
Prosperity to Baine! For Azeroth!
All hail Baine! Torghast survivor! Hero of the horde and Peacebringer!
All hail Baine! Torghast survivor! Hero of the horde and Peacebringer!
Thought Tom Hardy was great tbh.
Hail Baine!
love this <3
For Azeroth indeed!
Thrall stated this back in Vanilla (you can check now in classic):
âAll members of the Horde are equal in my eyes, (player name).
We have suffered many burdens, and if it were not for wisdom and honor, then we would no better than the scourge or my people while our blood was tainted by the demon Mannoroth.
It is your duty to aid the Horde and to defend our way of life.
But it is also your duty to know when quarter and compassion should be given to friend and foe alike.
Understand this well.
This is the new Horde, not some demon-spawned army who lack free will.â
Baine encompass all of this values (whatâs left of them).
For Azeroth.
Cheers.
With Skadefryden permission, I will also add that characters like Baine are necessary to counter characters like Garrosh and Sylvanas.
I will use this theory:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_(physics)
âTo every action there is always opposed an equal reaction: or the mutual actions of two bodies upon each other are always equal, and directed to contrary parts.â
There was this interesting part on Alex Afrasiabi interview a couple of years ago:
https://www.eurogamer.net/world-of-warcraft-and-the-masterplan-for-sylvanas
âAny time we get a player base thatâs divided in their support for a character, I feel like weâre doing our jobs. Any time itâs one-sided to the point of âthis is clearly the right directionâ, itâs not as interesting.â
From Google search:
The Latin phrase âDivide et imperaâ is as old as politics and war. The divide your enemy so you can reign approach is attributed to Julius Cesar â he successfully applied it to conquer Gaul twenty-two centuries ago (no typo).
Can the Horde and the Alliance play together in the future ?
Yes.
Something born out of the necessity of filling up groups so group content like Mithic+ and Raids keep having enough players.
Thatâs the irony.
Cheers.
Baine is the only sane and sensible leader (aside his girl, Mayla of course) in the Horde (Kiro lost that spot when he tagged along the Horde)
Talanji is an Empress (or Queen? Zanalar is an Empire, so⌠it have an empress? Royal titles are a mistery) of an Empire older than most of the races put togeter on Azeroth, canât really say in her status she could be considered as a âhorde memberâ. More so, she stated to the corpse wench, the Horde and Zanadalar are equalsâŚ
Anyway, Baine is the Future of the Horde if that âfactionâ even have any
I wait for the rising of a civil war inside the horde, one that would almost destroy their entire faction and make them weak and vulnerable, so that it will make it easier when we strike.
We never forget, we never forgive.
Well⌠Chances are far higher for the opposite - Turalyon goes completely nuts and Alliance racial leaders jumps over to the already established Horde Council.
Turalyon goes nuts and brings the fight to the horde? Im in!
Didnât really understood what you said there after⌠you are saying the alliance leaders would join the horde council?
They are weak and vulnerable⌠but the Alliance will never wipe them out. That is on the level of Erevienâs âkill the horde cuncilâ insanity.
I mean the Alliance donât really have problem with the Horde if you think about it
Mulgore is Tauren hometown, they bother no one there
Nor the Darkspear on their little island
Durotar is a harsh place, Thrall chose well - he knew building a city in the middle of nowehere is a good idea; nobody will ever want that place.
The Goblins actually not the Race, just a handfull of survivors, most of the Cartels are neutral and the Alliance have several goblin friends and members, like in the SI:7 agents
The Zandalari Empire is its own little thing
Kiroâs Vulpera is not the race either, the Vupera are Volâdunai, only a few caravan who banded together and decided to follow Kiro âjoinedâ the Horde
Same with the Huojin philosophy followers⌠they are not mortal enemies of the philosophy of Tushui. The adherents of Huojin are just a handfull of Pandaren left their Turtle, the Pandaren as a Race neutral.
The Suramar-Silvermoon twin cities are a bit different⌠but the Alliance, who is mainly Humans, Dwarves, Gnomes, Worgens, Draenei of Exodar (wich is far away on an island form the Horde)⌠they are actually centered around the Eastern Kingdoms⌠or what remained of it. The donât give a rat 
what the Hordies doing in the middle of nowhere on another continent.
The only âproblemâ are the Kaldorei, who lost most of their forests and territory and most of their numbers. They are even the source of the enmity with the Shalâdorei. The Sinâdorei, the kingdom of Quelâthalas is the Alliance somewhat close neighbours, but lets face it, for thosuand of years the Humans and the Elves kept a cold relationship, everyone stayed in their place, the Elves not really wandered out of their forests and it was protected by a magical shield.
The Undead is a bit more problematic, or at least they were while they were Sylvanas personality cult, now? They will eventually die out, I donât see the rising more forsaken so we wonât die out philosophy to rise again, and unavoidable for them to either rot away or just eventually be gone forever. No one will miss them⌠but till then their leadership probably will do anything to donât bother the Living.
Really, the only problem and who endangers mostly the status quo? Are the Kalodrei.
Unsurprisingly the source of all problems on AzerothâŚ
Baine and Thrall are weaklings and cowards who destroyed Horde the best and true Warchiefâs was Saurfang and Garrosh
The time will come when they sound their horns to war, a bloodcrazed warchief will step in command of the horde and they will wage war against us once again. Do you never learn? We cannot have peace with warmongers sister!
And what? The Kaldorei are the ones who treaten our world the most? They were fine with genociding our people and burning our home! What makes you think they are innocent now?
Iâm not sure about that
They⌠well everyone had enough of the wars and bloodcrazed idiots
And the Horde Council existence prevents any warchief to rise to power again.
Why on earth would they want a war?
The Orcs are not that numerous; donât forget Thrallâs Horde was made out Orcs who escaped the Eastern Kingdom, a few ship worth of camp survivors and refugees. Not an âArmyâ, heck, not even enough to form a proper Clan or made possible to the Orcs to reestablish the Clan system of their Race!
The Darkspear? They are survivors of the Echo Isles, even more smaller number than the Orcs, they tagged alongâŚ
The Tauren almost went extinct thanks to the Centaur, and not even a generation passed, and they are not rabits, bovines⌠the short decade wasnât really enough to even double their numbers!
The Goblins were a shipfull of survivors âsavedâ by Gallywix
The âHordeââ Vulpera are a few Caravan worth of desert foxes
Same with the Huojin Pandaren, a handfull, not an army, not even enough to fill a small village!
The Blood Elves are 10% or around that that of the High elven original numbers who survived the Undead genocide, then dided left and right and some of them became Void Elves
The Nightborne are a city worth, not exactly an army either or nation, just enough to cling in to their survival, and very careful not to die⌠thoâ their leader do everything to make them extinct
The Undead numbers are good question but it was low enough for Sylvanas to fear extinction
See, the âHordeâ is nothing more than mostly the coalition of the races that almost managed to extinct but survived in small numbers
Iâm kinda sure, thoâ donât have exact numbers, the Zandalari Empireâs Troll population is bigger than the whole Horde population!
The Highmuntain Tauren are a good boost to the Taurens of Mulgore, but they kept seperate actually, there wasnât a great reunification of the two Tauren branch to make a new species togetherâŚ
As you can see, the Horde never was and never will be - at least not in the forseeable future - in the situation to actually want a War, the members were always dragged in to a bloody conflict, usually thanks to an insane individual in power, but that possibility was eliminated
Yes
Letâs donât wander down that rabbit hole, shall we?
That could had been achieved twice in the past:
MoP after Garrosh was defeated
BFA during Rastakhanâs funeral, Nathanos clearly states that the Alliance is close to victory.
Now the question:
Why did Varian didnât pushed and ended the Horde in MoP ?
Why didnât the Horde got defeated and disbanded during BFA ?
Answer: because of the 2 faction systems.
This is a MMORPG not a RTS where the other faction loses the conflict and the campaign ends.
If one of the factions loses the conflict that means the other faction players have no where to go and Blizzard would have much explaining to give.
Another example why didnât the Tauren and Blood elves joined the Alliance during Garroshâs period ?
Because that would mean everyone playing a Tauren or a Blood Elf would now be forced to play on Alliance side. Not to mention faction transfers are a paid service.
From all the 4 races in Vanilla the only one that didnât had shamanism were the Forsaken. They desecrate the land and are opposed to everything that Thrall, Cairne, Baine and VolâJin stand for.
But hey the narrative says the Horde needed a foothold in Eastern Kingdoms and thats it.
Why would a bunch of people trying to rebuild their lives would have any necessity of a military foothold on that part of the Azeroth is beyond me. But I understand that you canât have conflict if Thrall and his group would sit peacefully in Kalimdor.
You have to have Sylvanas so conflict can be instigated.
In fact her story and the Forsaken should had ended in WoTLK.
But than that would mean players with Forsaken avatar would have nowhere to go and how would you explain the creation of new Forsaken characters right ?
Narrative and gameplay go hands together.
If VolâJin dies another leader of the Alliance has to go too. In this case it was Varian.
Where did the Horde came up with such huge numbers to invade Teldrassil ?
The narrative demanded it and so it was written like that.
If 5 Allied races join one faction another 5 has to join the opposite side.
Reasons be damned 
Edir:typing.
Cheers.
The end of Legion was the perfect opportunity to make things ârightâ
We were friends, worked together, the Order Halls and the expedition to Argus not gave a 
what faction you are in⌠could have continnued
The closest the " 2 faction system " was represented in game is actually was not the PvP part - that is mostly non-canon anyway - but the Warfronts of BfA when the âFaction Warâ really happened
99% of the time when you do something it is against external threat, sometimes a few âgo bother or spy on the opposite factionâ quests
Two or more factionâs existence is not automatically means they are enemies, could be, but not a requirement. Like how the Pandaren on the Turtle are technically a 2 faction system and they not at each other throat 0-24 24/7!
PvP even could have been kept, introducing âWargamesâ, where the warriors of the factions could train and such - and the mere existance of the Horde Mercenary thing proves, faction pride donât exist.
Teldrasil burning? Not had to be the Horde, it could have been just Syvanas and Zoovalâs forces she summoned. There. Problem solved.
But I guess âweâ are so attached to the War Craft 2 setup (not even WC3 whitch was about working together, remember???) it is impossible to let it goâŚ
Indeed.
Steve Danuser stated this in a interview:
âThe aftermath of a war is always messy. Expect repercussions from the Fourth War to carry forward for a long, long time.â
Iâm waiting to see the next excuse to go to war after Dragonflight expansion 
Sometimes I think this 4 characters would be the ideal for the next faction conflict.
âIf I wipe the name I may wipe the shameâ.
Cheers.