- PvE gear in Solo Shuffle
I don’t understand why the game even allows PvE gear in Shuffle.
You see it instantly: 25–30% less HP, zero versa, free kill.
They’re not necessarily beginners — some people just queue for the weekly quest to get their 12 matches done.
But with 0 versa they have no chance to survive anything, they get focused and deleted instantly.
And because of that, every lobby is a guaranteed 3–3.
This isn’t the player’s fault.
It’s the system’s fault for letting them in like this. - New players being thrown into high MMR
The other extreme is when someone is actually new to arena.
They have PvP gear because they farmed it in random BGs — so they’re not undergeared.
They just have zero experience.
And the system still throws them into high MMR with 0 CR, then we act surprised when they get deleted in 5 seconds every round.
This isn’t random BG.
Every mistake matters, and there’s no time to adjust. - There’s no real learning environment in Shuffle
In theory you could learn from it, but in practice you can’t.
You can’t communicate, you can’t ask questions, you can’t get feedback.
All you experience is that you die in 5 seconds, but you have no idea why.
You don’t “improve match by match” — you just get more frustrated. - If you have no partner, your first experience is a high‑MMR Shuffle with 0 CR
If someone wants to try arena but has no partner or friend to queue with, Shuffle is their only option.
And here’s the real problem:
their very first match is at high MMR with 0 CR, against players who have been doing this for years.
No communication, no comp knowledge, no rhythm — just instant death.
After an experience like that, who queues again
Zero motivation, zero learning opportunity — even though everyone has to start somewhere.
Pufinnyo
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This is the biggest problem of pvp in general imo, simply because communication accelerates learning by at least 10x. And good luck getting a high xp btag unless you are high xp yourself.
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Exactly. Communication speeds up improvement, but Solo Shuffle gives you almost no opportunity for it. The system still expects you to play as if communication existed. That’s why everyone learns slower and why the whole thing feels chaotic. And of course high‑XP players won’t just add random people — teaching takes time for them too. This is a structural problem, not a player problem.
Pufinnyo
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That’s not a thing. If you never queued shuffle before you will be put into starting mmr which, at the start of a season, is usually around 1700. Over the course of the season the starting mmr will increase. Right now it’s around 2k and while this sounds high, given the context it actually isn’t. I queued on a fresh alt just recently and i was at 2k mmr with almost everyone in the lobby being 0cr just like me.
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I understand what you’re saying, but that’s exactly the issue I’m pointing out. Even if the starting MMR is around 2k right now, the actual lobby quality is completely inconsistent. One fresh alt gets full 0 CR lobbies, another gets matched with players who clearly aren’t “fresh” at all. On paper the system looks simple, but from the player perspective it feels totally random. And just to be clear: I’m not saying this happens 100% of the time, but in about 80–90% of my games it does. That’s why it stands out so much.
Pufinnyo
It is. Shuffle starting mmr on a new full green char is 2143 currently.
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I mean shuffle should be binned, same for BGB. it increases reward participation at expense of massively lowering people’s skill at those brackets.
I don’t think Shuffle itself is the problem. The mode isn’t bad — it just needs some mechanical changes. If they fixed the underlying systems, it would actually work really well.
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No the game mode is scuffed and is better off being scrapped, its ludacris how much its inflated people’s rating, the only thing it does is resolve the issue of “gate keeping” queue finder cause the people that play want to play with people wont queue with fresh meat vice versa and fresh meat refuses to also queue with fresh meat
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Yeah, exactly. And that’s my issue with it too — a fresh green character shouldn’t start at 2143 MMR. That’s a system problem, not a player problem.
This being stating mmr makes it not high mmr. So it’s actually not.
I understand what you’re saying, and that’s exactly why I think the mechanics should be fixed instead of scrapping the entire mode. The inflation isn’t caused by Shuffle existing — it’s caused by how the MMR system handles new and returning players. If the underlying logic wasn’t this broken, the mode itself would actually work fine.
No you do not, I’m not even referring to new or returning players. I’m straight up saying, people are getting to ratings I don’t think they’re physically capable of playing at.
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The number of new 0:6 healers at 2000 mmr is completely out of control. This is turning me toxic as well… i get it now.
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I get what you mean, honestly. I feel the same way sometimes — the matchmaking puts people into ratings they’re not really prepared for. The idea of the system is good, it’s just rare to actually get lobbies where everyone is on the same level
Except I get full pve geared players with 0cr 0xp on 2300mmr who have not played anything all season and last time they have played anything was one season in last expansion where they got something like 1600 for one season and quit apparently, now they are put for healers on 2300mmr without even pvp trinkets set bonus. Literally watched similar matchmaking through all Christmas.
Put them on 2300 for placement games and they waste everyones but mostly healers time and flop 0-6
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Yeah, I feel the same way. The matchmaking keeps throwing completely unprepared healers into 2k lobbies, and it makes the whole bracket unstable. The system could work well, but it’s rare to get a lobby where everyone is actually on the same level.
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