But he was right. Daenarys did in fact bring the Dothraki Horde across the sea, pillage burn and ruin a city and a million(?) innocent people with it.
He was 100% right about Dany, and we got lots of examples of her madness throughout the seasons.
Factually, he was right. Was he morally right in his decision? In hindsight, yeah. Absolutely. Not in hindsight? Well, he had a sound argument for it.
He wasnât factually right. Daenerysâ madness (aside from meta reasons, as in it was extremely forced and rushed) was the result of chain of unfortunate events that nobody could have foreseen. Itâs not just âwell, she is a Targaryen, coin flip lulâ and I donât care what the writers spout out of their mouths.
Besides, if he killed Daenerys, Daenerys wouldnât have saved Jon, which means that the Night King would have won and annihilated mankind.
You got proof for that? You could make an argument that she was driven to madness, but equally you could make the case that she was in fact mad from the start.
That doesnât matter though. What matters is what happened. And RB was 100% right about what sheâd do.
The proof is that the vast majority of the Targaryens werenât crazy. She was driven to madness, she literally lost all those she loved after season 6.
Yes, dude, look how mad she was in season 3:
That doesnât matter though. What matters is what happened. And RB was 100% right about what sheâd do.
âThe circumstances donât matter. Her traumatic backstory doesnât matter.â
âŚThatâs just probability, thatâs not proof.
Many characters did that in the show- Including Davos, but he didnât go mad.
How do you exactly distinguish which of her demeanour was a result of the things that happened to her, and which was the result of her latent madness/susceptibility?
Honestly what she went through is quite tame in the context (Asoiaf) weâre considering things.
âŚThatâs just probability, thatâs not proof.
Thatâs proof that Daenerys wasnât mad because of a stupid coin flip. Thatâs just an excuse people like you come up with to explain a rushed character assassination.
Also, your statement that Robert was right is just hilarious. No, he wasnât right to kill her. He didnât want to kill her because he had some prophetic dream that showed him what would happen, he wanted to do that simply because she had the surname âTargaryenâ slapped onto her name and the vague assumption that sheâd rally the dothraki against Westeros. Let alone the fact that he wanted to kill her while she was pregnant. Youâre sick if you think youâre justified in killing a pregnant woman.
Many characters did that in the show- Including Davos, but he didnât go mad.
Lol what. Davos didnât have a brother that abused her (threatened to abuse him sexually as well) and literally gave him nightmares.
Also, itâs almost like people react differently to hardship.
How do you exactly distinguish which of her demeanour was a result of the things that happened to her, and which was the result of her latent madness/susceptibility?
She literally lost the second of her children and her dearest friend in the previous episode, on top of having the man she loved the most reject her.
Honestly what she went through is quite tame in the context (Asoiaf) weâre considering things.
Right dude, right. Remind me of the Stark children, who had such a rough childhood. Having to survive in the streets, every day being a struggle, hunted by a foreign king⌠Oh wait.
Now, if weâre done talking about Game of Thrones, Iâd like to point out how Arthas did nothing wrong. He was just trying to keep Sylvanas under control so that she wouldnât burn Teldrassil. He was right to invade Quelâthalas and kill 90% of its people if it meant Sylvanas would be put under control.
Thatâs literally how George R.R martin wrote the story. Supposedly, each time a targaryen is born, gods flip a coin to see whether theyâll be mad or not. Thatâs not my excuse, thatâs just a fact.
Robert was right about her going mad and burning villages (cities) and bringing the Dothraki over the sea to loot and pillage in her name. She even promised that to them, soâŚ
He was right.
Debatable.
Would it have been kinder to kill her after the pregnancy, then?
Itâs a bad thing to do either way, but in hindsight he was right about it.
Big brain moment here btw: If Dany hadnât survived and brought up her dragons, the Night King wouldnât have gotten past the wall and would have been contained there for all eternity.
That doesnât answer the question.
Yeah, some go mad, and some donât.
Well, a number of things, but Stratholme certainly wasnât one of them.
Thatâs a weak excuse, itâs not a fact. Thatâs a coincidence assumed to be true by a few characters in the story, itâs not a meta statement by the writer. As all children borne of incests, there is a higher chance of innate madness, but thatâs very different from literally claiming that a child is born either sane or insane, especially when itâs not so simple (for example, Aerys became mad only after multiple years into his reign).
Robert was right about her going mad and burning villages (cities) and bringing the Dothraki over the sea to loot and pillage in her name. She even promised that to them, soâŚ
He was right.
Daenerys literally lost everything she held dear to defend the world against the white walkers, thatâs the reason why she went mad, and a big role in her descent into madness was played by Robertâs own wife Cersei. So no, Robert still wasnât right, because Daenerys didnât destroy Kingâs Landing due to always being mad or some BS like that, but because she was pushed by awful people around her into that state.
He still wasnât right, though, in wanting to kill an innocent woman who did nothing wrong at that point and who was also carrying a child.
Would it have been kinder to kill her after the pregnancy, then?
No, because she had done nothing wrong at that point.
Big brain moment here btw: If Dany hadnât survived and brought up her dragons, the Night King wouldnât have gotten past the wall and would have been contained there for all eternity.
Except, you know, for the fact that he could just go around the Wall because during winter the sea near the shoreline freezes.
Well, a number of things, but Stratholme certainly wasnât one of them.
Neither was killing Sylvanas and enslaving her soul. He only did that to ensure she wouldnât burn Teldrassil.
This is hardly the place for a Game of Thrones discussion though, so I would rather get back on the topic. Very clearly we will never agree.
It is a fact thought. The author is the god of the universe who decides which way things go- And this is how it went, in the show (though the last season(s) werenât his handwriting)- But the point remains the same.
Did she go mad from just the trauma she experienced? Maybe.
Or did she go mad from being a targaryen? Maybe. Weâll never know.
What we do know however is that how things panned out- And Robert Baratheon foreshadowed exactly those things that happened- Which means, consequently, that he was right, whether or not it was because Dany was driven to that fate or not.
But right he was, all the same.
Maybe, but she made the decision to do so.
One often meets their destiny on the path they take to avoid itâŚ
So why didnât they? It was winter already- Not to mention that the wall actually continues into the sea, just like the great wall of china does, to prevent exactly that.
You could also say that why didnât they just traverse it like the wildlings did- But, they didnât. So obviously something prevented them from doing it (as we know).
Well, he didnât succeed in his plan to prevent Sylvanas from avenging the deaths of the Shatterspear Tribe.
I wonât address your Game of Thrones points since I already countered them and I already asked you to stop derailing the thread.
Well, he didnât succeed in his plan to prevent Sylvanas from avenging the deaths of the Shatterspear Tribe.
There was nothing to avenge. They joined Garrosh knowing the consequences of that bold decision.
And the nelves made their decision by not leaving the rightful lands of the trolls & Horde.
You⌠do know that the night elves used to be trolls, right? And that they inhabited that land for far longer than the Horde?
Dude what are you on about? Are you rotgarde by any chance? Because I heard similar arguments before.
Well, not anymore!
The Shatterspear got their long-awaited justice.
Yeah, we are the oldest race on Azeroth! so all your homes belong to us, cant pay? we take it away.
NâZoth called. He wants his lands back.
No⌠itâs not fairâŚ
NâZoth is still on the line, and heâs getting tired of waiting. He demands an answer.
The answer is - he is a cancer he needs to be removed. Azeroth canât tolerate Old God Presence. True story, Yâshaarj can confirm.
The cosmos canât tolerate Azerothâs presence. Purge all world souls! Theyâre nothing but trouble. Itâs all fun and games⌠until you see a Void titan.