No.
I tried it and first game was instadying to a convoke with full moon by a balance druid with bop + AM. Then I didn’t play pvp after that.
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Yes but we also have a core playerbase within the PvP community that has not been outside in the last 20 years n forgot how to interact with people n its just that playerbase that dicates who gets to play or not n that in itself is a huge problem.
Finding teammates wasnt an issue 10 years ago but the core playerbase that remains within the PvP scene shouldnt even be legally allowed internet access in the first place.
Even when shuffle suffered artificial deflation hardcapping the mmr in season 2 it still pulled more than 10x the player participation compared to 3s which was not artificially deflated although it made it the lowest participation season in wow history. That decision was made due to the 3s playerbase being the loud obnoxious minority.
The “effort of finding a team” should never have been part of the game in the first place for PvP, that likely only happened because PvP is a minigame. That design was also added in an earlier time when the community was very different.
They can make every single reward in the game a participation reward for all i care, the majority of the playerbase are casuals who dont push for any rating goals n what not, they simply want to play the game. Why do you think battleground is by far the most popular gamemode for PvP? a gamemode that has literarelly no rewards beyond 2 hours in the start of every season.
I agree that the game should be rebalanced n made f2p.
Ah yes, lets put the DH-boomy-rdruid premade against the destro-hpriest-furywarrior pug n see what happens. With how vital teamcomps n class balance is in wow that wouldnt even be moderately viable n the only thing this would do is to feed the ego of the minority at the expense of the majority.
It would unironically make more sense to remove 2s n 3s from the game n put every single effort into making shuffle more balanced. Why would blizzard remove a gamemode with way over 10x the participation to please the tiny minority who pays the same sub price? With this solution we might aswell just add 300.000 inflation bots to 2s n 3s n call it a day.
However lets make this pug vs premade work, the premade gains half and loses double rating, they´re also locked to honor gear only with no enchantments where as the pug has the opposite rules, full conquest, full enchants and twice the rating per win n half the rating per loss to make up for the communication n teamcomp advantage.
the situations you described are the incentive to play as team but keep in mind that you wont face only premades, dont know whats the alternative really then, we cant have lfr be end game of mmo
now if this would happen in pve it would be the end of raids, end of guilds end of everything, huge blowback and massive outcry from all the raiders, also if we remove 2/3s then how people can play with their friends? its mmo after all, i play mostly solo and lfg but as its also mmo i wont pay 55 euro for game and 14 euro for sub on expansions where i would just stand afk in town and press lfr after lfr like a zombie the game would become mega boring real quick like it is now, huge ammount money to press 1 button to que shuffle seems really dumb to me from mmo pov so i dont like to see it end game
70 euro to stand in town and press button for shuffle and wait 40min in que, worth? suppose to be the “end game” content in game with this cost? i dont think it should be, the game is in ruin and costly wise it has become disgusting for what we get, theres privas that are free and run better soloq with 2-5min ques for dps only difference being that its old versions of wow and theres more cheaters than in retail, and then we have retail that is a joke. dont rly have good options
i know its convenient to have soloqs but picture wow where we would have only lfr, shuffle, srbg and nothing else? now what would be the purpose of friends or guilds or anything, zero reason to know anybody if you cant play with any of them cause all content is just press button to go do 1 lfr and then go back town press it again and again and again, at what point this would become boring i wonder when theres zero connection or zero strats or coordination and zero nothing just lfr, but somehow this is ok to do it for pvp now i dont get it, if this were done to pve it would been huge outrage and just end of everything but now its end of pvp so i guess it makes it ok on their logic
please just stop. Shuffle should die.
Ty man, will follow your advice
Boomie convoke with prot paladin immunity.
Rets divine toll with random insta kills.
Etc etc etc. 
2v2 should die.
3v3 should die.
RBGs should die.
BGs should die.
RSS should die.
Solo RBGs shouldnt be added, let it die.
Remove PvP since its all dead.
I just love people calling for modes to die because they dont like it.
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Good we dont need you
I’m enjoying the game massively especially rn. Classes feel fun, gameplay loop is fun too. Still enjoying collecting Bp’s and Mounts.
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dude you dont even play the game why ur commenting on everything in this forum i dont understand that u waste ur time here there will only be ppl that tell u like im rn u only got duelist cause ret was op and then uve been challenger yea wtf man why waste ur time in here? whats ur point
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Oh, are you aly’s brother? U using the same boring mantra?
Ive gotten Duelist twice but I dont go around boasting around with it like someone who keeps buying their glads/r1s every single season through actual real money transaction.
Just be extremely happy that not a single blizz employee is interested into deep-diving into your account. We wouldnt see you around if so.
Whos wasting their time AND money here?
“Hey mom, I used your credit card and got myself glad/r1! Im one of the big guys now! Im so amazing right?!”
Just a headsup, you couldnt even climb with your Ret during 10.0.7. Kinda tells alot.
he likes to pvp forum, i just think its disgusting someone with challenger past df gets first duelist with retocalypse in shuffles and then comes comment on every retocalypse post on forum defending retocalypse through season 1
then season 2 plays 30 rounds of shuffle and doesnt play for 6 months but can be found everywhere telling people about their classes and about pvp in the game etc
otherwise i dont care but someone like this comes comment to me anything about game or advising me on any of my classes and i feel physically ill, i guess this can also be piled on the issues of shuffle and wild balancing caused to the game
now the same fool is defending shuffle, the game he dont even play, just for the sake of disagreeing with ppl and forum pvp i guess, honestly would be better rping in some realm instead
i mean ppl should only be able to type in here if the chracter they use did retail arena to idk 1600 and also no tbc alts allowed
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he stopped on 1.6 with sp and 30 played last season and even that was shuffles, he just didnt play anything for the rest 6 months but kept telling everyone on forum of their classes or things related pvp, so i guess he could talk with that then if its set on 1.6
i dont think there should be of such or it would be possible but in any case its clear for all to see the value of who speaks with this in mind anyways it is not like it gets much value from anyone if a guy who dont play the game comes advice you on your class, also anyone who defended retocalypse or dh now is delusional, i dont think anyone puts value on what they say
And people who buy their ratings through real money transaction like you shouldnt be playing to begin with 
You dont even play your own glad/r1 characters. You pay someone to do it for you 
true or not but you are part of the problem related this topic related balancing or shuffles how people got retocalypse and shuffle as their first gameplay in pvp and now advising everyone on forum about the game they play
i put no value on people who defended retocalypse in season 1 or now dh or shuffles, i see they are delusional but just like the person you are insulting now you have as much right post till you break tos, just dont get surprised pikachu if ppl dont care listen or call it as what it is
The people doing mythic or even heroic raiding is a tiny minority, if you prevent the 98% of the players who dont partake in that endgame content from progressing the game to please the 2% thats not going to be a good buisness model, same applies to arena. They already added mythic dungeons which can reward simular gear to mythic raiding if i recall right n that in itself already devalues raid guilds n what not n yet mythic+ was extremely well recived by the PvE playerbase.
PvP doesnt have gear progression, we play for fun, for rewards and more importantly for achivements. If you dont want to value shuffle achievements n titles thats perfectly fine, i dont either. But i also dont value any PvP related achivements n titles. Getting 1800 for elite gear in 2s in season 2 DF was much easier than 1800 in shuffle in the first few weeks, i´d know as i did both. Elite armor was never an accomplishment to begin with n titles are still locked away, people dont even get linkable achievments based on rating from shuffle so why does it bother you so much? Huge majority of the playerbase dont give a single F.
Yes its an MMORPG, nothing is stopping you from playing with your freinds, theres infact nothing stopping you from making a mythic raid guild with your freinds or a tryhard glad pushing 3v3 comp with your freinds, none of these things has been removed. The only difference is that you´re not going to play against unwilling victims who are forced into your gamemode where as you describe it as if the gamemodes were removed. both 2v2 and 3v3 also has virtually instant ques n yet 90% of the playerbase prefers to sit in 20-40 minute ques for shuffle. Outside of long que times for dps roles, why do you think shuffle is a bad addition to the game?
The only fundamental difference in 2s n 3s now compared to before is that people exclusively play S+++++ tier comps with S+++++ classes where as before you´d run into random pugs trying to cap their conquest or vault for the week that you could farm. This brings me to my previous statement, add bots to 2s n 3s if the gamemodes becomes too abandoned since the community playing those gamemodes dont give a crap about the health of the game they just want people to feed their mmr inflation, the bots can do the same thing without coming at the expense of people who dont enjoy the gamemode.
ive been a mythic raider and ive found people to play arena with just like found my spot in those guilds that progress for cutting edge, i concider them both as end game
i would hate to see all group involving content removed and game turn into lfr,shuffle,srbg if we would follow same pattern for everything than what they did to pvp, it would be really bad game afterwards
there was no reason to divide playerbase in pvp more nor this awkward situation where dps want play shuffle and heals dont or people who want play with their friends now mostly que against sweats cause everyone else are in shuffles
Nah, they rather blame RSS for them not having friends to play with as a starter.
Im the same, I dont rly value rating which is also why I dont go around talking about it.
But its also interesting how its majority of times its the people with inflated ego who, in most cases, are also bad, trash others for their rating.
People trying to believe 2s means more than rss etc. Its quite frankly a joke considering, if people are talking about actual 3s players then both 2s and rss is a meme bracket.
I personally dont care about it at all, just funny how 2s ppl flex their rating while talking trash about RSS.
And then double funny when they are also massively toxic in PvP ^^
In the end, people should play what they enjoy to do. Theres nothing stopping them except their own mindset. If people enjoy doing m+, lfr, heroic, mythic, world pvp, bgs, rbgs, arenas (2s, 3s, rss) and so on they should be allowed to do it without being trashed. As in all more difficult content you just need to improve, and you cant do that if you keep blaming everyone else for your own mistakes.
Its just hilarious how people want something deleted because they dont like it.
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just stop. you make no sense. at what point has anyone said on this post to not have people to play with, i can answer it with not a single time has anyone claimed such. or do you not understand how dividing the small playerbase to different brackets affects arenas compared to time before df, does any of this register in the grey matter of yours how its not just a matter of “you can always x if you dont like shuffles”
i dont want to explain such simple things, you would understand it if you played the game and these things with dps ques or healer shuffle experiences or situations related arena would affect you too, now youre just a tourist with an opinion that holds no value
and why do you continuoysly have to make up things for trying start arguments? is it too hard to stick to facts and things that is actually said or true? you know how stupid way it is to argue with people with constant strawmans
and what do you even care, why do you keep defend shuffles on a game that you self dont play or what do you care what is happening to its pvp, you play 30 rounds shuffle for entire season 2 for 6 months and then you insult people who played the season and say the mode is bad, just like you were insulting the people who said on season 1 that retocalypse is ruining the game when you got your first duelist as a retri from shuffles and you started defend retri
people of this post wont mostly agree with samcruel but atleast i can respect his opinion when the guy plays the game and is giving his honest opinion on things he actually is experiencing and which affect him, but someone who is being toxic or just talking for the sake of talking i cant respect and actually find quite annoying when nothing he says of is of zero relevance to him personally so none of his business or trouble in first place when it doesnt affect him