have to say ill actually agree for once lol, 1600 for arena for season or dont talk which is even more than from the some ppl im pestered by. i guess some just have to keep sub rolling for game they dont play and act as expert on forum advising everyone without anyone asking, like some strange guy who plays 30 rounds for 6 months but keeps advice you on forum, but season 1 some defended retocalypse so their choises arent probably the smartest in any case, but i dont care really aslong they dont bother me, being strawmaned or tried bate to their useless arguments by some noobs who dont even play the game, nobody has interest for that
like just now, guy who dont play the game strawmaning me or other posts defending shuffles when self doesnt play the game, so what does he even care or how this affects him, my only fault is trying find sense from people who have none. im surprised they dont play dh currently and defend it too like they did their retri on s1 that would just be the icing on the cake i guess
Its also worth to take into consideration that a HUGE majority of the playerbase dont bother with the forums at all, because of that we can just look at what people play when drawing conclusions on popularity. I play n enjoy all brackets although i only play 2s n 3s with freinds as i despise LFG and for shuffle i dont enjoy the que times n i find caster unplayable but semi enjoyable as melee.
I think if they enforced 2 casters, 2 melees and 2 healers per lobby we would increase game quality substantially n indirectly get rid of the melee apes just CD dumping in opener n globalling someone, something that causes healers to not enjoy the game. Beyond that i also feel like we need to take a look at CC, classes that traditionally had very low amonts of CC suddenly gives me RMP flashbacks with how they´re capable of locking people down from even playing the game.
I get that you dont want to divide the already small playerpool but do take into consideration that 2s n 3s playerpool was always shrinking every season step by step n has been for a decade, shuffle is the first time we´ve recived an increase in PvP participation, it needs alot of work to become a better gamemode for sure but i do believe its going to be the right way forward despite taking away some of the MMORPG feel.
People got older with families n jobs, i for one wouldnt spend my sparetime getting interviewed by some unemployed degenerate with antisocial disorders who then decides if i get to play the game or not, in my case i never had to suffer that fate as i´ve been around on n off since vanilla n always had freinds to play with but that is not the case for a significant part of the playerbase n the whole âjust make freindsâ isnt valid either, unfortunately the PvP playerbase we´re left with are just not pleasant to interact with.
There is no simple solution that is going to please all parties but the game needs to be made more accessable to everyone, the community was given monopoly since TBC for who gets to play n not n the community missused this horribly, the fact that a solution was not provided sooner is the real issue.
lfg worked great to a degree but its mostly matter of how to minmax it, healer will have more opportunities to get to play than random dps from privas coming to fresh retail account and trying to hop in lfg. i sat 5 hours in oribos for example, i switch to healer and im looking at 40 ppl on the list queing me from who i need to figure out somehow which to play with, personally i just look check pvp that theyre anywhere same or not too extreme like idk negative 1.6 with 400 played would be bit bad so you weed out those, currently healers have zero options that are good if you want play the game
they actually managed make the game good for very specific easy zug type dps and bad for rest, even bad for the heals which they would needed for these ques
and i agree the playerbase is getting older so not everyone have interest for this hassle but the current situation is worse than the hassle of enduring lfg which you atleast could minmax somehow when currently you kinda cant, and unless we count it as choise that every player would now reroll dh,uhdk,arms and start quieing shuffles which is what the game doesnt need
when lfg was rough the game needed more healers than dps so good option was reroll healer and it benefitted the game and the player who did the reroll, now the only good option is roll yet another dh/uhdk/arms into the ladder and start queing your shuffles which doesnt benefit anyone nor the player imo as he just suffers 50min ques with it, situation is the topic of this thread
meh some players dont want to reroll though in order to be able to play the game, its great for those willing to do so, in my case i tend to get attached to my classes. Granted i do rotate what i play.
I havent actually played my DK since season 1 as i lost interest in it, was a warrior throughout all of season 2 more or less n im sticking with warrior in season 3 although i did make a DH, not for the fotm mind you but because i absolutely love the tier set pitlord helmet! im not gonna play it intill it gets nerfed though because im against fotm rerolling.
This game will never be in a balanced state, personally the most fun i had in DF was season 1 prior to retpocalypse, thats where the game felt the most balanced to me, atleast i saw a great diversity of specs n dident feel forced to play certain ones. For some reason WoW has a habbit of making S tier classes like 60% strongest then the A tier ones n the B tiers are straight up unplayable, that in itself is a big issue. I remember in first patch of BFA, unholy was absolutely unplayable to the point where the worlds best unholy dk´s were playing blood dk in arena. At the time i was exclusively playing DK n dident have any alts. I sat there waiting for balancing n probally stuck around for 4-5 months or so without a single balancing patch, after that i quit n dident come back intill S3 SL.
So long as the game ships in such terrible state we´re never going to have a balanced game, fotm is almost always going to be stronger than dedicating yourself to a single class.
retocalypse ruin the whole integrity of entire df, everything from there is snowball effect that wont cease to end. last season i saw guy with 40% win on 2.4 cause retocalypse mmr saved and he just came took it on last week with 3 lobby of shuffle like could see
true but in coordinated setting where you can control the comp you build you can make even these work better than if you go play them in a shuffle type enviroment so shuffle just favors fotm more sadly, and also the soft algo trying to prevent mirror makes it that ur banning other of same fotm, your right it should be 2 melee 2 caster but were again going further from real arena setting here making more algo and the mode is handing out arena achievements which people are so hungrily after that they dont even care sit 50min ques aslong its free on their dh etc completely ruins the integrity of anything really, then you have the same people come tell you the most biased things after they have farmed whole season of shuffle on those fotm
and then we still have the situation with healers who dont want to play the game, game is bad for them, nothing is done to it
Funny how masochistic people are to sit 20 min. in queue instead of joining any discord/community/guild and just whispering people asking to play some games.
You literally had 3000+ shuffle games (so 18000 rounds) played last season as multiple dps⌠that means you dissocciate yourself from your own actions, and then ask why would anyone else do them.
Should maybe get yourself checked mate. Iâm not kidding.
hi random person commenting of my shuffles, yes i did indeed play on my 8 characters which make quite many rounds total for 6 months if played one season for various reasons mostly mogs or vault for shuffle. the rest of my rounds i played to just kill boredom on my heals to be frank, i even que shuffles while on lfg, sometimes i find match and go arenas
yes that is good that you are not kidding as its very serious matter the characters i did end up push rating with on arenas i did 2x 2.1 70% win with 70 played and other i pushed to 2.2 63% ~85
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Draenor/Reyja
so this is me, i imagine u know how to use these sites by now
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Twisting%20Nether/Plague
and this is you here, and i wonder how exactly you got the idea you could trash talk me
i wonder which gave you the idea. your warriors name seem familiar tho CristĂłbĂĄl have you perhaps posted on it on forum and got upset of something you have seen related challengers or shuffles? i cant honestly ring any bells in any case but i assume you are one on the list of perma challengers that got ratings on shuffles and dont like it being said so you come cry to me, once again its very good you are not kidding and remember you were the one who started talking to me
To me its kinda the opposite, i get extremely bored or 2s n 3s long term because not a single person plays anything that isnt S+++++ tier n with blizzards balancing that means you´re seeing the same 2-3 specs in an endless stream, if your freinds dont play the best class to make an optimal teamcomp dont bother even trying to push its literarelly not viable.
In shuffle there is alot more variation n forces you to adapt more, the issue itself is balancing around this fact since say destro - fury is never going to beat arms-ret unless they are significantly better players which leads to alot of frustration where in this scenario the lock is getting tunneled every round n is pretty much expected to go 0-6, which then resaults in the healers going 3-3 leaving both the lock feeling miserable n both the healers not gaining any rating. I dont think algorithms are fundamentally a bad thing, afterall the fact that 3v3 always contains 3 people per team is an algorithm in itself n with the highly limited teamcomps that are even viable in the first place makes the entire bracket one big algorithm.
Fundamentally the biggest issue comes down to the fact that with how balancing in wow is, the difference between an A tier and S tier spec is like 40% damage/healing output. As a prime example, when i vault capped my DH i literarelly button mashed n still did convincingly the highest damage, usually by a significant margin. This was while having just a general idea of what i was supposed to do, n doing what i was supposed to be doing about 50% of the time. Its even worth noting that in S3 DH´s damage rotations are not even all that faceroll to begin with as it relies on maintaining alot of low duration buffs n debuffs for damage windows but due to how overtoned it is you dont get punished for failing that but rather doing everything wrong doubles everyones damage but if you do it right you tripple it. That should never be a thing in PvP.
anything is possible to 2.2, i have some ppl on bnet that play just random comps in 2s cos they dont care of the bracket and one told me yday some of the 3 comps they played in 2s just this week, they play 3v3s as team mainly so dont rly care of 2s but its good indication that any comp works anyway, you can literally just imagine any comp and just go play and if u dont do too horrible mistakes you will reach duelist with it
im more of a 2s guy cos i cant stand with the hassle to get to the point of do the actual 3v3, i want to play when i want and when it suits me rly i dont care be tied on someone elses calendar, but i would play wizard cleaves in any case
im exaderating abit but i also said âdont bother pushing,â 2s has also never been even remotely balanced with it primarly being dominated by melee+healer n has been for ages with the occasional RM popping in for a few weeks at a time whenever they´re overtoned. To me 2s is the least competitive gamemode but a great starting point to learn the basics as its very slow phased. I used to enjoy it back in wotlk-cataclysm.
I find 2s extremely stale n mostly just play it if a freind drags me in there to help him cap or get elite set for the season so im mostly into 3v3 in whatever gamemode be it 3s or shuffle. Realistically if you reach 2.2k with a troll comp in 3s you´d likely been comfortably 2.4k if you played an S tier comp with the same skill if not higher.
ah i see, good its clear. any comp can be played to duelists and pushed even further by just playng 2s rly. the game is just trash now cause shuffles, so here we are. on post named âthis game is trashâ
here we meet and talk of everything that is gone wrong in the game since df, for me it boils down on how they handled shuffles really
That is not you, its the booster that got you that rating. Its so pathetic and cringe I am actually shocked you dare post a boosted character after you were stuck challenger on all your mains for 1000s of games in shuffle with 45% win rates, then suddenly you push 2100 in one session in 2v2 (OBVIOUSLY) at the end of the season.
Btw, 2200 at the end of the season is like 1800 at the start, but the boost is much cheaper I suppose and it makes sense.
Because you are a lifer challenger that has 5000 posts and you give advice to people all day long here, without them knowing how you got those achievments.
Its so cringe seeing you trash talking about shuffle all day after literally trying to push in shuffle for 3000 games and failing, there is no logical explanation.
oh you continue talking, i can assure you nothing else here is cringe than you. all you said is false, and i dont know how i could be challenger like you if i pushed duelists per season on multiple characters since shadowlands, and i do it through lfg aswell half with people with less exp than me
if your perma challenger brain cant comprehend that some people can get something so casual as duelists in video game they have been playing since its release then i do think the problem is not on the game but infact on you if challenger is the highest you can get
in any case i believe this topic is not related on you or the matters you keep derailing i do understand your upset of never reach anything on arenas but restrain yourself on taking your shortcomings on me, going to report your derailings btw
Just small advice, you can chose to disconnect and hide the other characters on checkpvp,you can do that to the boosted chars, so if you chose to post on this main you will still get to show of your achievments on your account(on blizzard forums inspect) but people will not be able to detect which chars you got boosted on.
Will make things easier for you if that is the way you like playing the game.
lol none of my chars are boosted nor i have any need to hide anything, if you seriously think that people cant push something as duelist on their own then your lack of knowledge is really showing lol
like i said i push my duelists per season on few characters by simply playing lfg and most of the times with people less than duelists from even shadowlands so, i guess that makes it me boosting them
and your still derailing this post with this matter of yours coming talking to me btw, how upset of this business of being challenger before df you are exactly, maybe you would like to take this opportunity now and tell everyone about it
https://check-pvp.fr/eu/Twisting%20Nether/Plague
looking you i dont see someone who would even have exp to judge or talk if the only rating you have is shuffle and nothing from before, youre quite frankly just clueless
Same here and it is the primary reason imo that Arena is so dead and has been dead since BFA or so. I remember back in MoP you could literally queue up as like WW Boomkin 2s and play at 2k+ mmr and win 50%+ games because everyone else, more or less, were playing random stuff as well.
The shift started around mid Legion I believe when they added a bunch of rewards to 2s and ever since then, the mode has become ultra sweaty. you can have fun sub 1500 MMR but the moment you go to 1700 youâre going to face virtually nothing but 1 of 3 strongest healers and 1 of 4 strongest dps. Above 2k MMR that shrinks to 1 of 2 strongest healers and 1 of 3 strongest dps.
3s has been sweatier a lot longer but thats mostly due to how DRs work imo. 3 specs on one team mean there arenât many comps at any given moment that are both above average and also donât DR each other on most/all CCs. In a world where DRs were different we might see more comp diversity and less sweat, but thats asking a lot in EU. EU is notoriously sweaty and meta slavey in every single game.
