This post from reddit is spot on

Blizzard mocking poor countrys, it has food ingame

Not only food, but big feasts!

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That’s funny how they bring their higher mission about renaming things, repainting things, deleting characters. HOWEVER, they don’t give a s*it about players feelings about those things. What if I have some really personal and intimate story behind one of those things being erased from game? I like to watch at it, read it, and just feel this sweety nostalgia about the past days. And now this thing is gone. Instead I have a new thing in my bag, without any story behind it. This kind of hypocrisy ruins the game for everyone who is here not only for high-level dungeons, raids and PvP

The whole argument is players having issue with the nature of the changes being intellectually dishonest and instead of taking the developers stance at face value are trying to tie this into some imaginary resource allocation that they are mismanaging.

It’s a weak argument as this is not how companies work even on a much smaller scale, let alone Blizzard size.

What’s dishonest about it? Are you really happy that there is a single content patch in an year?

They have been mismanaging WoW since the end of MoP. its not hard to imagine them not mismanaging this whole fiasco.

Dishonesty comes from assuming that the same people that are designing and producing your raids are the people who paste fruit paintings.

Do you not see how stupid that idea even sounds?

Doesn’t matter. The frustration comes from lack of quality content, everything else is just amplifying it.

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I said that, but I will repeat it.

It is better if Blizzard take authority over the game and are upfront about their intentions, goals, and vision for WoW, because then it’s easier for players to evaluate whether or not the game is for them.

That is better than the current reality where no one knows what the future of WoW looks like and Blizzard aren’t saying anything on their part, and all the while they tell players that they listen to their feedback and that everything is up for discussion.
That doesn’t make anyone wiser about what kind of game WoW is meant to be and whether or not the game is for them.

So that’s the mindset. Blizzard should take authority over the development of the game and they should be open and honest about their ambitions and goals for it.
Then you can evaluate whether or not the product is for you.
Right now you’re sticking around because you hope the product might be for you some day. That’s dumb.

Because it’s Blizzard’s game and that’s their prerogative and it may not be in their best interest to have a product that appeals to an unstable majority as opposed to a stable minority – especially not if the minority brings in higher revenue.
I’m just guessing of course, but their interests in WoW are business-driven. Yours are not.
Your role as the customer is to simply evaluate that which is presented before you and decide whether or not it’s for you – and whether you want to pay for it.

Like I said above, then Blizzard makes that decision very hard to make, because they don’t really say what’s going to happen, so you’re left to predict the future yourself. When is the patch releasing? What’s in it? Have they considered my feedback?

Right. It would be much better if Blizzard were upfront about what you were purchasing then, wouldn’t it?

I love to play Civilization VI.
A year ago Firaxis did a Seasonal Pass sort of thing.
They presented the whole deal. Here’s what it costs, here’s what you’re getting, and here’s when you’re getting it.
Simple.
Then it’s easy for me to evaluate whether or not I’m interested in that and if I want to pay for it.

When you buy a WoW expansion with a 2 year life cycle and sign up for a subscription, then you don’t have a clue as to what’s coming.
Wouldn’t it be nice if Blizzard were upfront and said that these are the patches, here’s roughly what we want to have in them, and here’s when we plan to release them.
Wouldn’t that be nice?

Why do you think they don’t do that? Is it because they can’t? Or is it because keeping it a secret and enshrouded in mystery keeps you hoping that somewhere in the future some patch might contain all that you ever wanted because Blizzard listened to your feedback?

Blizzard aren’t upfront about WoW, because it pays to lead you on. And like a good little sheep
 you follow.

WoW is whatever Blizzard wants it to be.

Entertaining this childish belief that WoW can be changed into your dreams come true through the power of hope and feedback is foolish.

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But it’s not how this frustration is channeled though. It’s being deliberately tied into the changes at hand as it’s necessary to establish some kind of a high ground. As people who don’t like the nature of the changes understand that coming out blunt about it may be interpreted in a way they don’t like. So it’s better to make it about something that’s an “objective problem” such is resource management.

The whole argument is weak and stinks a mile away.

Sort of, it sometimes gives you a couple posts afterwards before it kicks you out and makes you relog. Can still post in certain forums just not GD after that.

You do the same thing in peoples forum threads, no? You kind of answer your own question with such logic. At any point you could stop replying to them, but you don’t.

The whole logic that only the ‘players who like the nu-design should stay, and everyone else should just go find another game’ is pretty dumb. Especially since we can’t even get a proper classic without said devs turning up to ruin it.

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Because its transparant virtue signaling, they ignore doing anything about the toxic player mentality they have cultivated through badly implimented systems that promote running content as quickly as possible. Not to mention the complete breakdown of the games social structure to the point you spend more time with players from other servers you will never see again compared to players on your own server. We get no roadmap. No we plan to look intro how to fix this. just some kneejerck changes because they got busted for sexual assault and need to save face.

Yea, i did not play the game for a long time.

I treat this game as something i come back to once in a while.

As you can probably see on my armory.

I did not play for a majority of bfa, and for the vast majority of shadowlands.

By the way, the metrics are trash too. So.

Juging peoples posts on their armory profile is the cringiest thing on this entire damn website


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Well, it does tell that i did not even bother with normal mode.

I don’t know. It seems logical and sensible to me.

I mean, let’s scratch it up.

You have some people who pay money and invest time into a game that they enjoy.
It seems logical and sensible to tell these people to keep doing what they’re doing.

Then you have some people who pay money and invest time into a game that they don’t enjoy.
I say that those people should reconsider what they’re doing. That seems logical and sensible to me. If the goal is enjoyment, then the money and time investment doesn’t seem to pay off for these people.

You say that is dumb to suggest.

Okay.

But what’s the better alternative that they’re choosing? Sticking around? For what? Hope? :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

I wouldn’t quit over this but these changes surely worth a few memes.

Are you seriously trying to suggest that every single piece of feedback has been positive since
 launch of SL?

Bfa maybe. Legion
? WoD
 Maybe Mists. If you like, cata. Hell even WotLK. For giggles TBC.

And
 vanilla.

EVERY single piece of feedback was written with no malice or “hurr hurr”

And if only. IF ONLY
 the playerbase.

ALL. WANTED. THE. SAME. THING.

But DO carry on, yelling and screaming, stamping and crying, and wondering why the devs don’t listen to your feedback. Try it at your local shop. let me know how you got on with screaming at the shop staff.

And before people chime in with the inevitable


Yes. Yes it is the same thing.

Are you paying for a product?
Are you displeased with product?
Did you enter feedback on product?
Did company change product to suit YOUR preference?

if Blizzard, as Jito correctly stated, simply let the players decide what went in to the game, everyone would quit in 4 weeks because the game would be a completely unplayable, hugely disorganized, complete mess.

Way more than it is now.

And before I get called shill or whatever helps you get through the day

meh. knock yourself out.

Clearly they did as they are changing it.

removed.

They are. very poor. but then again the legion systems were atrocious as well.

because they’re not getting what THEY want.

Then you are in the 20 percent that Blizzard will take note of. Just because Blizzard didn’t implement YOUR feedback doesn’t mean they didn’t read it.

The 80% who DON’T provide any feedback of substance whatsoever, and are just content to regurgitate memes of “Ohh blizzard are changing women into bowls of fruit” and take clearly joke posts like “Removal of /kiss” as gospel are the ones I’m talking about when I typed that imaginary conversation between Blizzard and “ANGRY YELLING INTERNET”

And at the end of the day. Everyone thinks their opinion is more important than everyone else’s, and way too many people get upset when reality bites and it’s not very important.

Their attitude?!.. don’t you mean ours?!

Adversity builds character whereas hate kills it, when made to feel uncomfortable, most of us can’t seem to tell the difference between the two.

There are certain things no one should have to experience or have to overcome because there is no value in doing so, then there are things when we overcome them, helps us grow, someone calls you stupid, not that big of a deal, yet we don’t treat it that way, we have to report them.

So it’s not Blizzard’s attitude, they are always reacting when trying to gauge what we, their customers want, and not to be condescending here, but we have a business relationship with them, this isn’t some moral stance that Blizzard has taken here.

And how is it better if the game keeps shrinking ? Will it be better for the people to stop playing their favorite game ? Is it better for existing players to not have as much people to play with ? I have been in both of these boats and I can tell you its better for no one.

The part that I agree with you is that Blizzard should be more transparent in the future (something we were promised was going to happen but didn’t). However the part I do disagree with is that they should not listen to player feedback and stick to their guns.

I don’t agree, but even if I did there is a major flaw with that argument.

Your minority is not steady. Even it is in a decline, the estimated players for bfa were ~3mil and due to some shady stuff (firing people) blizzards revenue was “record breaking”, In SL atm the estimated player count is >2mil and blizzards revenue is lacking, keep this design and 10.0 will be retaining hundreds and not millions.

It would be much better if I could just play lets say MoP and not have my character remade from under me every 2 years or so, regardless if I purchased BfA, Shadowlands or Magni’s Bizarre Adventure.

Oh I can imagine why that is.

Nope

Again nope, that ain’t it chief.

It’s because they have no idea where the game is headed, its because every single patch they go in halfcocked and expect s##t to stick this time around, then they spend what ever is left of that patch cycle developing a way to fix said excrement with a new one. BfA was the perfect example for this, they could not make people care for the HoA so they invented essences and made azerite trivial, then they made essences trivial because corruptions was the new hip thing. I can’t wait to see what renown will be used for next


Then you have been living under a rock these past 5-6 years. The horrible systems or their “vision” changes, the problem is that the changes come too late. It’s not that people completely hate these systems, it’s that it takes patches and sometimes a new expansion announcement for these systems or “visions” to become somewhat fun to interact with.

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un-surprisingly, the same developer on twitter who said “we asked for it”, in his private twitter account he wrote " Senior UI Engineer, WoW, Blizzard Entertainment. Non-binary, queer, they/them."

you can be as much as non-binary (or whatever that means) as you want. dont force your ideology on others.
these guys are the decision maker. the guys who left/fired in recent years were the guys who held it all together. they filtered the crap from the gold. there is no one to do it anymore. blizzard is controlled by woke people who force it all on everyone around them.

i dont mind many things, i just hate being forced for stuff that ruins what i enjoy (like cancelling my tv shows)

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