Though shunned by the living, you tirelessly strive to protect them

Here’s a small sample of how the Forsaken normally talks about the living:
Beware the living.
Embrace the shadow.
Lordaeron belongs to the forsaken.
Death to the Scourge, and death to the living.

Why are the Forsaken being re-written as goodie-two-shoes family-friendly heroes when they are and always have been the villains of their own tragic story?

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because they’ve been a part of the horde for a long time, and have a sense of camaraderie

side with the chick who just betrayed everyone cause she’s overwhelmed by angst, or side with the green dudes lanky voodoo boys and cow bros that have fought beside you time and time again

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Because the living hunt them down e.g. Scarlet Crusade?

Because it’s the only place where they’re safe.

The vast majority of the Forsaken are undead Lordaeronian Humans. Lordaeron is their home, and it does belong to them.

Only ever said by ONE guy who in fact sided with Varimathras and betrayed Sylvanas and the Forsaken.

In the aftermath of the battle, it was revealed that Putress and several members of the Royal Apothecary Society had sided with Varimathras, who had secretly remained loyal to his nathrezim brothers and the Burning Legion while serving under Sylvanas Windrunner. Together, they had orchestrated a coup d’état and forcefully taken control of the Undercity, nearly killing Sylvanas in the process.

They have never been the villains in their own story.

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FOR THE LIVING!

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The Forsaken have been evil since vanilla.

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They are not evil. Things aren’t that black and white.

Most are. Just do the quests in both classic and retail.

I have done the quests, but none indicate that the vast majority of the Forsaken is “evil”. Splinter factions under Sylvanas, perhaps. But not the general populace.

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Retail can be discounted as pure garbage, their lore is continiously retconned to suit their purpose. Sylvanas will be genuinely seen as a good guy in 3 expansions.

As for Classic, it’s them claiming the ashes of Lordaeron and fending off all the twisted machinations that popped up in it, while also fending off enroaching Alliance who are trying to claim it back.

The only humans murdered in 1-20 are; Scarlet Crusaders, Worgen-cursed Humans under Arugal and Kirin Tor Mages whom are up to something in Silverpine and are dangerously close to their home. Everyone else who is specifically killed are a result of their past actions commited against a particular member of the Forsaken, heinous things such as murder and desecrating their former loved ones.

This is the ‘not being so black and white’ part.

The Alliance quit seeing the Forsaken as the Lordaeronian people that they originally were before their deaths.

The Forsaken aren’t “claiming the ashes of Lordaeron”, rather, they’re retaking what was originally theirs to begin with back when they were still alive and protect it from those who now want to take it from them just because they’re undead now.

Imagine being a human living in Lordaeron before its fall. One moment you live a happy life, you’re proud of your kingdom, you have a family, a business and everything’s great.

One day you wake up and everybody and everything that you’ve ever known and loved is dead or destroyed, Your home is gone, you yourself have lost most if not all of your humanity and your former allies (the Alliance, Gilneas, The Scarlet Crusade, The Kirin Tor) are now trying to hunt you down and exterminate you and all of your kin who have become “free-minded” undead just because of what you are now.

(Lillian Voss’s story is a good example of this)

In all of that darkness and confusion, there’s one person who reaches out to you: Sylvanas.

She gives you clarity, understanding and most important of all: Hope and a cause to fight for.

That cause being to retake everything that was taken from you, rebuilt all that was destroyed and to get vengeance on those who did this to you.

If anything The Forsaken are one of, if not the most tragic race of WoW as well as being the most enduring one.

They’re victims and survivors, they most certainly are not evil.

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Maybe you were sleeping then. They ARE EVIL, and they hate the livings

“DEATH TO THE SCOURGE AND DEATH TO LIVING”

We are evil since the early quests in game, did you even do “Do the right thing” quest? That quest made you think we were good? Or perhaps how Frosaken were in tension with Hordes because of their plague studies?

Again you were either sleeping or just used AAP and skipped reading everything.

This was one of the reasons why I mained Forsaken since WOTLK. THIS IS NOT THE FORSAKEN RACE I MAINED! /SPIT

Now Blizzard are forcing me to stick to classic.

Because Blizzard tends to retcon everything every single time they feel they need to.

Like with Illidan back in Legion (though I love Illidan and he’ll always be the best written character alongside Arthas)

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saddest part of the story

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They don’t, and if you think that then you have zero clue about the Lore.

One guy said that. A traitor at that, and we killed him for what he did.

You clearly have never read any of the quests.

Literally the first quest you complete in Classic goes as follows:

Another walking dead, hm? Must have been quite a shock, waking up in the crypt with only the cold and Mordo to greet you…

I see the confusion on your face. Let me try to explain our… Situation… to you.

We have been freed from the control of the Lich King by our new leader, Lady Sylvanas. The Dark Lady guides us in our war against the hated scourge and the very holdouts of humanity who dog our every step.

And the same guy, when you talk to him, says…

No other race on Azeroth has suffered as much as our people, . To laugh in the face of death has become second nature for all of us.

Not to mention that the whole point of The Horde is that they’re a group of outcasts that band together.

Not a group of “evil people”.

Oh I get it you are one of those guys who are just arguing for the sake of argument. I don’t have to argue much, majority who plays the game knows who are the horde and what are the forsaken,

I will just leave this here.

https://twitter.com/TheRedShirtGuy/status/1253110816469135366
The red shirt guy (who knows the lore much more than you) is commenting about how Blizzard White washing the horde races and changing most of the intro lines into something more noble; they would not do that if it was like you are saying.

I am not. You just turn to saying that because you have no arguments of your own.

I rest my case.

While I agree that “tirelessly striving to protect the living” goes too far, as there’s no reason for them to put others first – Nothing about this, and nothing about the old lore indicates that the majority of the Forsaken are “Evil”.

Perhaps over-all, however when it comes to Lordaeron I pretty much know everything. I’ve spent 15 years reading about it and speculating its course, after all.

Whether I know more than Red Shirt Guy or not is completely irrelevant, since from what I can see he doesn’t specifically argue that “the Forsaken are evil”, just that they have “lost almost their entire cultural identity with the departure of Sylvanas”, which is true in the sense of that their identity thus-far has been almost solely driven by “seeking revenge” and “retaking what’s theirs”.

They have long since achieved that, anyway.

Now Calia, their former Princess, will start a new age for the Forsaken. One less driven by hatred and vengeance.

With Calia in charge nobody will be hunting the Forsaken just for being Undead anymore, either.

Or well, perhaps if there’s some leftover Scarlet Crusaders. But those are zealots who can’t see the difference between friend or foe, anyway.

That is not what “white-washing” means.

Why wouldn’t they? It has been 15 years for us, and likely many more years for the Forsaken in in-game time since their struggle began. With Sylvanas having betrayed and abandoned them and with their original royal family, The Menethil now back in power it’s time to go back to what they once were: The People of Lordaeron.

It makes perfect sense.

Maybe the civilians weren’t, but the military and the RAS sure were.

You can justify killing the Scarlets, because they were crazed zealots bent on destroying every undead. You can’t justify plaguing Southshore farms and fields and mass-murdering civilians and peasants, which is what the majority of the classic quests in Hillsbrad were about.

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So you would know that aside from the Scarlet’s, the Forsaken have pretty much murdered just about every living, be it civilian or otherwise, just because those fellas want to keep and rebuild their homes? The living members if Kirin Tor, South shore and Hillsbrad, as well as the Gilneans are just as rightful owners of the land of Lordaeron as the Forsaken. And let’s not forget that our Stormwind humans are in fact a collective from all the human kingdoms.
Also, Sylvanas up until BfA is nothing short than a backstabbing villain that lied and murdered her way through in her un-life, while be not being able to win a single battle she began on her own.

Topkek! :sweat_smile:

/10char

Because blizzard wants to appeal to the lowest common denominator.
I, for one, welcome our new undead protectors.

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