Nah you wanted play human and in alliance side you can admit it. Im sure you playing it alltime now
Hey dont slander him, he doesnt play.
I know he really made that char to stalk Jaina in game and watching bfa opening scene scene where Jaina arrives with magic ship. I bet he put his char pointy ears
True, the main issue is the combination of these story elements like this that allows for a 20 year old to outdo a 10000 year old.
Iām sure if we sit on it and theorize on it more problems will arrise that cause an issue to a narrative defaulting to an uninteresting outcome.
Its a problem with more then one face if you get my drift.
Having an ancient mage turn and run at a exponentially younger one is strange, they couldāve clashed and having the young beat the old on modern techniques would be good.
Thinking of Anime, I think Frieren excelled in the concept of the greenhorn outdoing the experienced master, its not impossible to sell, just hard.
Hence the whole moderation is key part.
Just like his hero Kaelāthas.
Not necessarily. Letās have mages as an example:
Power vs Knowledge: power of your spells is not tied to knowledge or mastery, but rather personal ability to manipulate magical energies (all mages can cast fireball, some can just cast more powerful ones). On the other hand, long lived races can excell at theory of magic. Remember how Khadgar theorised that tear of Elune will revive Xeāra? Such displays of knowledge should be the domain of long lived races.
And to that, some variance should be added: not all long lived mages should be sages - some of them spent their lives with other duties, leaving little time for magical studies. Some short lived mages should be very knowledgeable: if they spent most of their lives studying and had access to special tutors or sources of knowledge.
Currently though, itās the other way around: Jaina is one of the best mages, even though she had plenty of other duties, like running the city state of Theramore. Khadgar spent his time adventuring, yet heās one of the most knowledgeable mages. When You meet him in Outland, he says:
The naaru are wise beyond our understanding. Iāve learned more from Aādal in the last five months than all the years I spent in the libraries of Dalaran.
And yet, the Draenei, who had access to Naaru knowledge for millennia donāt seem to know more than Khadgar does.
Showing how long lifespan is beneficial without making long lived races OP compared to others is possible, but the writers have to be willing to do that.
I am an independent dark iron wizard, no human or no one is dominating or telling me what to do
well they do all arch mages right now are infact humans.
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Not all, I am mighty dark iron warlock, perhaps one to even rival the power of Gulādan.
We can just keep thing lore-accurate and remember that Human race is evolved titan-forged race which, IMO, enough to be superior at some things. Better, smarter, faster-adapting and so on.
If anything, they are devolved, not evolved. Although, admittedly, when you look at Vrykul, who are closer to the original blueprint, humans seem to actually be smarter than them - which brings us to a conclusion that human intelligence is at the level it is not because of their titan ancestry, but despite it.
After all, as speaker Brynth aptly said, titanforged were just maintenance drones. They werenāt created to think for themselves (some argument can be made here for mechagnomes).
And adapting that optic doesnāt solve the problem, because we have non titanforged short lived races like Vulpera, Tauren or Trolls. Would they have to just accept that theyāll never be as good as other races?
It also creates story related problems: if long lived races need time to attain mastery at things, and races with titan ancestry can just attain that mastery quicker, then humans/dwarves/gnomes will soon overwhelm long lived races, because the latter would need hundreds if not thousands of years to recover from events like genocide of the Draenei on Outland, genocide of High Elves during the third war or burning of Teldrassil.
No, You need to bring them up to speed in another way, not jus by saying that theyāre
From a vrykul perspective, who stuck on around-initial state and care only for being ārightā for Odyn judgement and nothing else.
Good blueprint perfected by old gods.
As everyone else do with accepting Eredar being magic and engineering superior in first place
No I donāt and lore clearly stands on it as human kingdoms overpopulated eastern kingdoms much effective than trolls who always been there and elves who couldnāt pass more to the south and almost were wiped by amani without Thoradin help.
Curse of flesh was very likely an unintended boon yes, my guess is that it combined the titan spark inherent to them with the character building that comes with not being an immortal being made of sturdy rock and flesh but rather a fragile sack of meat and bones.
It was as much a criticism on the 10k year old mage turning tail at the news of a 30 year old mage opponent, sure human potential is a thing, but would a 10k year old mage elf really turn tail? Theyāre a prideful bunch too.
Its probably reading too much into it tho, I imagine they had the more experienced mage turn tail because the story required it.
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We need to count also an overall population and the percentage of the overall amount of mages who really get to such deep knowledge. So it comes to stating a fact that the human population is just much higher; where there are two elves with deep knowledge, there must be ten humans with the same depth in arcane or something like that, simply because even the night elven population, compared to the human one, is very low. As we know, they were isolated by themselves on a relatively small amount of land. High Elves, and especially Blood Elves who lost 90% of their population, can also be counted on the fingers of your hand compared to the human population, which occupies almost all of the Eastern Kingdoms, Kul Tiras, and part of Kalimdor (Theramore and so on).
And then it comes to being not so natural and more inspired by Karazhan or āsecrets available only to the Guardian,ā and so on. I donāt believe that Council of Six(except for Kalecgos since heās a blue dragon) more skilled in arcane than Rommath or Nightborne arcanists. Probably around same level. An average Highborne mage would still be better than an average human mage, especially considering the only truly long-living race banned arcane a long time ago and exiled those who were not ready to give it up so we have no actual developed mage school for night elves to restore all power and knowledge they had before first Legion invasion.
Probably even very intended to develop titan-forged races into being rival against titans at some point
Oh I forgot to mention that there also should be some kind of limits that makes sence for legion proposals of greater power being so attractive, if you canāt success as mage, why donāt turn into necromancy as Kelāthuzad or becaming a warloc? Thatās definitely should be a thing too, and it was surpassed only onceā¦by Thrall with a help of Dragon Soul, without such artifact heās already reached his limits, so do mages under Maligos hidden presence all that time before wotlk
Weāre still dealin with the aftermath from letting one Necromancer have a bit of funā¦
Dalaran mistake for only exiling those who practiced in necromancyā¦
Why is it so frowned upon to raise a family in peaceā¦
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Considering recent lore is say it has more to do with the influence of Azerothās Worldsoul, but that an entirely different discussion, and I donāt want to leat the thread astray any further.
They were stated to be superior, yes - around 20-25k years ago. I know of no lore proving that Draenei, Lightforged or Manari are currently superior to others regarding magic. I would welcome any proof of it though, if You can provide it.
The lore says that humans were successful in conquering lands because they were
?? Please, do point me to that lore.
This again.
I asked You once for the source of this claim, but it seems itās just Your headcanon.
LINK PWEEEASWEEE
left your twitter style of discussion for it and only there, iām not interested in your speculations, thanks
you can just read the racial description or play the game to notice that some kind of magic was available only to a very limited individuals and the only ones who were able to interact with time magic are bronze dragons and nightborne mages, no single other mage, even Medivh were capable of such power
if everything need to be milked to you - please, watch some youtube videos, idk, Iām not going to explain the world around to you.