Remove xp off plz ! leveling in pvp is a chore....
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Then don't level in PVP and go level somewhere else?
Twinking is only popular in certain brackets, brackets that you'll out level in no time flat; why should you ruin other people's fun just because you don't want to see "twinks"? I think you also need to re-think the word "toxic".
You can "twink" any character for a smidgen of gold. Enchant your heirlooms, then buy cheap ring, wrist, boots and gloves enchants (like 5g each). Viola, you're now a "twink". Don't want to spend a small amount of gold making your character stronger? Well, why do you think you have the right to tell people that they're not allowed to do that?
Sure you won't have those fancy engineering goggles, but if you sink 5k gold you can get those too.
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XP off won't fix your problem either. You'll still get decimated by throw-away enchanted looms twinks.
Twinking is only popular in certain brackets, brackets that you'll out level in no time flat; why should you ruin other people's fun just because you don't want to see "twinks"? I think you also need to re-think the word "toxic".
You can "twink" any character for a smidgen of gold. Enchant your heirlooms, then buy cheap ring, wrist, boots and gloves enchants (like 5g each). Viola, you're now a "twink". Don't want to spend a small amount of gold making your character stronger? Well, why do you think you have the right to tell people that they're not allowed to do that?
Sure you won't have those fancy engineering goggles, but if you sink 5k gold you can get those too.
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XP off won't fix your problem either. You'll still get decimated by throw-away enchanted looms twinks.
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Leveling through questing is faster. Avoid low lvl PvP at all costs.
02/10/2018 17:43Posted by MiyleeThen don't level in PVP and go level somewhere else?
because I wanted to level up in pvp
02/10/2018 17:43Posted by Miyleewhy should you ruin other people's fun just because you don't want to see "twinks"?
give them.... their own braket with xp off..
"ruin other people's fun" ye, right! , they ruin the fun of random players (majority)
twinks (minority) full fotm in big premade with bis gear ,full buff, health-speed-berserk pot, woodbox, bamboo, engineer bomb ,glider and others !@#$s ,versus random players its just UNPLAYABLE and without fun ( tag bg 5 min = they cap 2 flag in 3min and 12 min farming in gy , so fun) .
i feel like to be a pig in durotar (and im full slot + enchant, a good gear for leveler) but twink dont play low level pvp , they play a bad pve in bg....
when i play against a premade at 20-29 for example (2 insane war fury/2 rogue outlaw spec oneshoot+dpriest ,all 29s ) the little raidboss aka the immortal dpriest with 2k5/3k (other players have 1k4...) deal 3*more dps than a pure dps (he is top dps, top heal , top kill 30+/ 0 death ,godmod style ) the imbalance is huge , and if you add a army of wooden box ( speciality of russian twinks) that kills all the enemi team "mod dps afk" , i dont know where is the fun for us and for twinks.
You can "twink" any character for a smidgen of gold. Enchant your heirlooms, then buy cheap ring, wrist, boots and gloves enchants (like 5g each). Viola, you're now a "twink".
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no , you are just a random leveler with a decent gear and I already have everything you mention,that changes nothing ,to be a twink you need to be *9, bis op gear and use all op item, buff , and stack fotm classe in premade.
Random players dont have the time to be Bis in each braket in leveling (11 brakets..) , or play the fotm classe of the braket and stack in premade....they can just have a decent gear to resist 3 sec more against a twink/twink premade...
I ask the question ... what do twinks want? play fotm in big premade and farm 10 min+ random players without any resistance or give them their own braket for play twink against twink....but I think I have the answer.....and its sad....
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02/10/2018 17:43Posted by MiyleeThen don't level in PVP and go level somewhere else?
Twinking is only popular in certain brackets, brackets that you'll out level in no time flat; why should you ruin other people's fun just because you don't want to see "twinks"? I think you also need to re-think the word "toxic".
You can "twink" any character for a smidgen of gold. Enchant your heirlooms, then buy cheap ring, wrist, boots and gloves enchants (like 5g each). Viola, you're now a "twink". Don't want to spend a small amount of gold making your character stronger? Well, why do you think you have the right to tell people that they're not allowed to do that?
Sure you won't have those fancy engineering goggles, but if you sink 5k gold you can get those too.
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XP off won't fix your problem either. You'll still get decimated by throw-away enchanted looms twinks.
Quit lying. People need to stop lying about twinking. It's not that they are rolling over everyone because of enchants. They are using OP items that have broken scaling, e.g. do 700 shadow damage, or grant 153 spellpower. In these level brackets, those numbers are way out of balance.
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02/10/2018 17:43Posted by MiyleeThen don't level in PVP and go level somewhere else?
Oh shut up. After doing the PvE content for 100 times over it gets stale. Mixing it up with PvP should give some excitement and fun. Untill you encounter the same ridiculous broken twinks in multiple games.
Battlegrounds are great exp but getting oneshot by cobalt frag grenades gets old, very quickly. There is no counterplay. XP-locked used to have their seperate brackets and we need this back.
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09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeBattlegrounds are great exp but getting oneshot by cobalt frag grenades gets old, very quickly. There is no counterplay. XP-locked used to have their seperate brackets and we need this back.
You can blame Blizzard for that, it was reported in Beta and PTR that any level had access to them, it took them 2 days after 7.3.5 launched to "hot fix" it by giving them a level 58 Requirement. The pig had already escaped the pen by that time, as soon as 7.3.5 was live level 19 / 29 twinks were already in Dala levelling WotLK engineering.
Disabling Frag Belts / WotLK engineering bombs and Tinkers below the level they are intended to be used would, I guess go along way to fixing some of the issues in the 19 / 20 brackets.
Once you get to 30 things get a whole lot better, Twinks are still there, but there's less of them, and Frag bombs are few and far between, and are less impactful.
As for the complaints about the other toys / potions etc in BG's, they aren't exclusive to twinks, y'all could use them. If you do any PvP at max level you will be swimming in MoH to buy all the consumables you want.
Just for the record I haven't touched my 19, 20 or 29 twinks in BfA, mainly because I think the brackets are trash.
10/10/2018 08:08Posted by Arleinax09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeBattlegrounds are great exp but getting oneshot by cobalt frag grenades gets old, very quickly. There is no counterplay. XP-locked used to have their seperate brackets and we need this back.
You can blame Blizzard for that, it was reported in Beta and PTR that any level had access to them, it took them 2 days after 7.3.5 launched to "hot fix" it by giving them a level 58 Requirement. The pig had already escaped the pen by that time, as soon as 7.3.5 was live level 19 / 29 twinks were already in Dala levelling WotLK engineering.
I agree on you fully that it's blizzards fault for allowing it. However my alt got killed by a 19 dwarf hunter by it. While inspecting my combat log, to figure out how the hell I died.he had the nerve to /rofl at my corpse.
Once you get to 30 things get a whole lot better, Twinks are still there, but there's less of them, and Frag bombs are few and far between, and are less impactful.
It doesn't tho. I'm in the 40-49 bracket at the moment with the alt I was talking about earlier. Fury warrior twinks reign supreme in this bracket. Getting killed in two seconds by broken chance on hit epix. 70-79 gives twinks extra sockets. The scaling system does not take into account sockets. And there's allways something new/absurdly broken in every bracket.
You know how at max level you can sort of tell if you have a chance to win by looking at the scoreboard and your own raid. Counting how many healers the enemy team has vs your own. When you're leveling through BGs you have to take this into account but also how many twinks your team have vs how many they have. Its unbalanced and it should be adressed.
BfA is supposed to re-introduce people to wpvp and pvp in general. But if I would be a new player getting oneshot by twinks and not knowing what the !@#$ is going on. I'd probably blame myself wondering why I am doing so poorly. And after a while I'd probably never try to pvp again.
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10/10/2018 18:19Posted by SmokeI agree on you fully that it's blizzards fault for allowing it. However my alt got killed by a 19 dwarf hunter by it. While inspecting my combat log, to figure out how the hell I died.he had the nerve to /rofl at my corpse.
Frag bombs are broken and should be disabled for all toons below level 58 ( When WotLK Eng Unlocks ) - I think we can agree on that, as for the /rofl that could just as easily been anyone.
10/10/2018 18:19Posted by Smoke70-79 gives twinks extra sockets. The scaling system does not take into account sockets. And there's allways something new/absurdly broken in every bracket.
You think playing a geared 70 is OP, compared to a level 78 Leveler ? Staying at 70 we are bottom of the bracket, and compared to a 78 Leveler we miss out on ( by choice ) a row of talents and Mastery at 78.
There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from getting and using the majority of items in any twinks armory, it's the desire isn't there, for the majority it's about XP and not the PvP ( imo )
I do find slightly ironic that you're posting on a 120 Rogue, not exactly known for being weak in the current meta, I guess some might say what comes around goes around.
I wonder how you think other players perceive you on your i364 Rogue in a Random BG. I very much doubt it's very positively...
I doubt they'll do anything about low level BGs, but it really is a pain. Currently trying to get the leather pants that are only available through the crates in 40-49 BGs.
If you're unlucky you have a fury warrior twink or two in the opposite team who one-shot you with a trinket. Not very fun.
If you're unlucky you have a fury warrior twink or two in the opposite team who one-shot you with a trinket. Not very fun.
10/10/2018 21:33Posted by Arleinax10/10/2018 18:19Posted by SmokeI agree on you fully that it's blizzards fault for allowing it. However my alt got killed by a 19 dwarf hunter by it. While inspecting my combat log, to figure out how the hell I died.he had the nerve to /rofl at my corpse.
Frag bombs are broken and should be disabled for all toons below level 58 ( When WotLK Eng Unlocks ) - I think we can agree on that, as for the /rofl that could just as easily been anyone.10/10/2018 18:19Posted by Smoke70-79 gives twinks extra sockets. The scaling system does not take into account sockets. And there's allways something new/absurdly broken in every bracket.
You think playing a geared 70 is OP, compared to a level 78 Leveler ? Staying at 70 we are bottom of the bracket, and compared to a 78 Leveler we miss out on ( by choice ) a row of talents and Mastery at 78.
You make it sound like you have it rough. Save the pity. You are the perfect example,abusing the Strat trinket because it is broken.
10/10/2018 21:33Posted by ArleinaxThere is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from getting and using the majority of items in any twinks armory, it's the desire isn't there, for the majority it's about XP and not the PvP ( imo )
You are delusional. Money for gear, and proffesions, friends for raid boosts. And time, the game starts at max level. If you play for the PvP you should welcome seperate brackets for locked xp-characters. It will give you twinks your own community and all the opportunity to measure who's the most broken. All while keeping the levelers out.
10/10/2018 21:33Posted by ArleinaxI do find slightly ironic that you're posting on a 120 Rogue, not exactly known for being weak in the current meta, I guess some might say what comes around goes around.
I wonder how you think other players perceive you on your i364 Rogue in a Random BG. I very much doubt it's very positively...
There is nothin ironic about posting on a rogue.
My main has got nothing to do with this argument.
Its my only max level. Rogue since 1.12. Through good times and bad. What's your point in bringing that up?
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I only really find it bad in the 10-19 bracket. On occasion it can be little bad at the 70-79, but rest is okay'ish imo.
I just stay away from the BG 's within the most popular twink brackets :P
I just stay away from the BG 's within the most popular twink brackets :P
10/10/2018 22:26Posted by SmokeThere is nothin ironic about posting on a rogue. My main has got nothing to do with this argument. Its my only max level. Rogue since 1.12. Through good times and bad. What's your point in bringing that up?
Maybe count the number of posts since BfA about how broken Rogues are in PvP at max level, that's the irony, you complaining about OP twinks, posting on the most OP Class in BfA
11/10/2018 09:00Posted by Arleinax10/10/2018 22:26Posted by SmokeThere is nothin ironic about posting on a rogue. My main has got nothing to do with this argument. Its my only max level. Rogue since 1.12. Through good times and bad. What's your point in bringing that up?
Maybe count the number of posts since BfA about how broken Rogues are in PvP at max level, that's the irony, you complaining about OP twinks, posting on the most OP Class in BfA
There is no irony because you are making that comment on a twink disc priest. Like I said, delusional.
All our specs have getting (deserved) nerfs. Sub is officially worthless after the Phantom assassin nerf. Outlaw is RNG and deadshot has been "balanced". Sin got another nerf yesterday. What are you complaining about? We are receiving our "finetuning". Your argument how broken rogues are have no substance. No high-rated arena player is naming rogue as broken. Probably because they know how to counter them.
Rogues have allways been considered OP because we have the priviledge to choose our own fights in BG's and wPvP.
Anyway, you turning away from the argumentand and starting to !@#$post about my class tells me enough that you can't have a dialogue with twinks. Try to stick to the point next time. I hope to god blizzard will put you guys back in your seperate brackets so you can have your own special community.
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Amen
I am tired of playing against fotm twink in premade full drood,godpriest ,war fury rogue...(immortal and one shoot everything) ,army of woodbox,healpot 50% ,zerk pot 30%, bamboo, glider, Stun fragbomb ,speedpot , 19 to 39 is the worse , unplayable.
I dont want to blame the Russians but it's often them....
I dont even prefer to imagine a new player discovering the pvp 19 / 29 braket....delete wow ;)
seperate brackets for locked xp-char is the way .
I hope to god blizzard will put you guys back in your seperate brackets so you can have your own special community.
Amen
I am tired of playing against fotm twink in premade full drood,godpriest ,war fury rogue...(immortal and one shoot everything) ,army of woodbox,healpot 50% ,zerk pot 30%, bamboo, glider, Stun fragbomb ,speedpot , 19 to 39 is the worse , unplayable.
I dont want to blame the Russians but it's often them....
I dont even prefer to imagine a new player discovering the pvp 19 / 29 braket....delete wow ;)
seperate brackets for locked xp-char is the way .
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Oh dear god, I've been away from this thread for a while. Well, guess it's time for old Miylee to get to work:
Then level up in PVP, with your throw away gear. People that enchant their gear arent stopping you.
Twinking is an incredibly small minority of players, there aren't enough players to fill battlegrounds with exp off. That's why the "exp off" system failed the first time around.
But no, you crybabies just insisted that it proved that "twinks dont want to fight twinks they just want to stomp new players".
The "majority" don't know what twinks are and don't give a monkey's about low level PVP.
The people that do actively play low levels are bothered about matters far more pressing than "twinks", and that's how broken some classes and specs are at low levels. Rogues, Disco priests and Hunters are god mode at low level, twinked or not.
Most don't premade. I had a little "premade" on my lvl59 twink with a couple of friends. It was us 2 and 3 random people that wanted to join us for easy exp. That "big scary 5man premade" was just 2 people.
Low level food and potions are dirt cheap. I used thme on my levelling toons, so your "exp off" wont stop that either.
The frag bomb has a lvl58 requirement for characters that didn't obtain it before Blizzard made the fix. Whilst I agree that Blizzard should disable the frag bomb for the characters that already have it, that issue isn't a twinkwide thing.
I dominated battlegrounds while levelling my character because I enchanted my piss poor levelling gear. It was only then that I realised that templates had been disabled. So yeah, I was dominating people (I was a rogue, which I've already stated is broken, twinked or not) before I even know twinking was back.
I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you're saying that you're a useless player and die in 2 seconds, removing twinks from your queues wont change that. You'll still get curbstomped by the 200g throw-away twinks.
Cutting the rest of the garbage out because it's unreadable.
You don't need any of that, at all. Infact, the thing out of those that does the most damage is the "premade" part. If a group of 5 people communicate properly and are able to correctly CC players, they'll win most of their matches regardless of their gear.
Aspecially if they're stacking with rogues, hunters and disco priests.
To enjoy a small aspect of the game. I like how strong I've made my lvl59 warrior, the potential burst output is good fun to watch, aspecially when it catches people completely off guard.
Not all groups of twinks are premades. A lot queue solo and bump into other twinks; I made a few friends in the 19 brackets back in Wrath, when the toon I'm posting on now was a twink.
Not enough twinks to actually have battlegrounds. Twinking is an incredibly small minority of players, it always was.
There's a "character limit" of 5,000 on these forums, so I've had to split my response to all 3 of you nitwits into seperate posts.
Personally, I don't think you're all worth your own individual response... But the limit is the limit.
because I wanted to level up in pvp
Then level up in PVP, with your throw away gear. People that enchant their gear arent stopping you.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijingive them.... their own braket with xp off..
Twinking is an incredibly small minority of players, there aren't enough players to fill battlegrounds with exp off. That's why the "exp off" system failed the first time around.
But no, you crybabies just insisted that it proved that "twinks dont want to fight twinks they just want to stomp new players".
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijin"ruin other people's fun" ye, right! , they ruin the fun of random players (majority)
The "majority" don't know what twinks are and don't give a monkey's about low level PVP.
The people that do actively play low levels are bothered about matters far more pressing than "twinks", and that's how broken some classes and specs are at low levels. Rogues, Disco priests and Hunters are god mode at low level, twinked or not.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijintwinks (minority) full fotm in big premade with bis gear
Most don't premade. I had a little "premade" on my lvl59 twink with a couple of friends. It was us 2 and 3 random people that wanted to join us for easy exp. That "big scary 5man premade" was just 2 people.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijinfull buff, health-speed-berserk pot,
Low level food and potions are dirt cheap. I used thme on my levelling toons, so your "exp off" wont stop that either.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijinwoodbox, bamboo, engineer bomb
The frag bomb has a lvl58 requirement for characters that didn't obtain it before Blizzard made the fix. Whilst I agree that Blizzard should disable the frag bomb for the characters that already have it, that issue isn't a twinkwide thing.
glider and others !@#$s ,versus random players its just UNPLAYABLE and without fun ( tag bg 5 min = they cap 2 flag in 3min and 12 min farming in gy , so fun)
I dominated battlegrounds while levelling my character because I enchanted my piss poor levelling gear. It was only then that I realised that templates had been disabled. So yeah, I was dominating people (I was a rogue, which I've already stated is broken, twinked or not) before I even know twinking was back.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijini feel like to be a pig in durotar (and im full slot + enchant, a good gear for leveler) but twink dont play low level pvp , they play a bad pve in bg....
I have no idea what you're trying to say. If you're saying that you're a useless player and die in 2 seconds, removing twinks from your queues wont change that. You'll still get curbstomped by the 200g throw-away twinks.
Cutting the rest of the garbage out because it's unreadable.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijinno , you are just a random leveler with a decent gear and I already have everything you mention,that changes nothing ,to be a twink you need to be *9, bis op gear and use all op item, buff , and stack fotm classe in premade.
You don't need any of that, at all. Infact, the thing out of those that does the most damage is the "premade" part. If a group of 5 people communicate properly and are able to correctly CC players, they'll win most of their matches regardless of their gear.
Aspecially if they're stacking with rogues, hunters and disco priests.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by OojijinI ask the question ... what do twinks want?
To enjoy a small aspect of the game. I like how strong I've made my lvl59 warrior, the potential burst output is good fun to watch, aspecially when it catches people completely off guard.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijinplay fotm in big premade and farm 10 min+ random players without any resistance
Not all groups of twinks are premades. A lot queue solo and bump into other twinks; I made a few friends in the 19 brackets back in Wrath, when the toon I'm posting on now was a twink.
03/10/2018 13:11Posted by Oojijinor give them their own braket for play twink against twink....but I think I have the answer.....and its sad....
Not enough twinks to actually have battlegrounds. Twinking is an incredibly small minority of players, it always was.
There's a "character limit" of 5,000 on these forums, so I've had to split my response to all 3 of you nitwits into seperate posts.
Personally, I don't think you're all worth your own individual response... But the limit is the limit.
09/10/2018 21:05Posted by Smoke
Oh shut up.
Good start. I can see where this is going.
09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeAfter doing the PvE content for 100 times over it gets stale.
Yes, and doing battlegrounds where gear doesn't matter and the only thing that's important is the class you picked also gets stale. I like that fotm roller rogues open on my warrior thinking "haha free kill" only to immediately follow that up with "what the !@#$ is that damage?!?".
09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeMixing it up with PvP should give some excitement and fun. Untill you encounter the same ridiculous broken twinks in multiple games.
If you bothered reading my initial post instead of writing "shut up", you'd know why "exp off" wont fix your problem.
09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeBattlegrounds are great exp but getting oneshot by cobalt frag grenades gets old, very quickly.
Which is why new characters can't obtain the frag grenades until lvl58 (where that 500 damage is 10% hp) and I'm all for Blizzard disabling the frag grenades that some characters below that level have.
09/10/2018 21:05Posted by SmokeThere is no counterplay. XP-locked used to have their seperate brackets and we need this back.
XP-locked changed nothing. It ruined certain characters because twinking isn't very popular. It simply means that People would curbstomp you with throw-away twinks instead of the ones with some silly low level proc items. Seen rammstein's trinket, for example?
05/10/2018 20:53Posted by Sheikah
Quit lying.
Nothing I said was false. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that that isn't how it is. Let me guess, you're a liberal?
05/10/2018 20:53Posted by SheikahPeople need to stop lying about twinking. It's not that they are rolling over everyone because of enchants.
Depends on the bracket. Enchants do most of the work; something I learned while plowing through battlegrounds on my levelling toon. The other thing is the aforementioned Frag Grenade bug.
05/10/2018 20:53Posted by SheikahThey are using OP items that have broken scaling, e.g. do 700 shadow damage
Good old Sul'thraze! Do you know what theproc rate on that is? Lower than you might think, I'd happily trade that proc for another Crusader enchant. That 100 str enchants for pre-60s is insane!
...But enchants don't matter... Right?
The other insane damage thing is Ramstein's trinket, which is on-use for 1.5k aoe damage. That thing is mental, but the 3 minute cooldown means you get to use it 4-5 times per battleground.
Again though, those items are easy to farm and it wouldn't take much out of me to get them on a throw-away twink.
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Interesting how everybody here has attacked the twinking community yet the title of the thread was to accuse us of toxicity. Now if only you put as much effort into gearing your alts as you do into being hypocrites...
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you can say what you want, it's just words, in fact braket 10-19 20-29- 30-39 are unplayable, newbies and levelers cant do anything because a minority (twinks) enjoy this type of gameplay (kill ppl like pig in durotar) ,twinks need queue for xp blocked.
13/10/2018 12:42Posted by Oojijinyou can say what you want, it's just words
Same to you.
13/10/2018 12:42Posted by Oojijinin fact braket 10-19 20-29- 30-39 are unplayable
Unplayable for you, I never had any problem with my alts in those brackets. As I said, it wasn't even until my mid 40s on an alt that I realised twinking was back.
13/10/2018 12:42Posted by Oojijinnewbies
Newbies get trollied and picked on by alt levellers, alt levellers get trollied by twinks. Welcome to the low level food chain. You have a much better chance of fighting back against a twink than a newbie does of fighting back against you.
Not that your kind has ever cared for the new players. You just use them as an excuse to cry.
13/10/2018 12:42Posted by Oojijinand levelers cant do anything because a minority (twinks) enjoy this type of gameplay (kill ppl like pig in durotar) ,twinks need queue for xp blocked.
Repeating the same line over and over doesn't make it true. The only change that needs to happen to twinking is to have the frag grenade removed from the characters that have it on their low levels.
Why blizzard had implanted the system of separation in woltk?(patch 3.2.0 to force xp-off characters to face only other xp-off characters)
because twinks were toxic in bg and bored everyone, it was a way to eliminate twinks gently, because blizz knew that twinks couldnt proc bg with their minority.
they forgot to put back this system in bfa .
this system needs to come back.
because twinks were toxic in bg and bored everyone, it was a way to eliminate twinks gently, because blizz knew that twinks couldnt proc bg with their minority.
they forgot to put back this system in bfa .
this system needs to come back.