They heard a whispers but thought it was a ghost and they saw ghosts as “whisps”. Ghosts aren’t exactly sign of living civilization.
Orcs are aliens and ignorants and their exchange was showing that. They had right to not be aware of it, they’re literally aliens from another planet and they previously fought draenei, humans, ogres, other elves and dwarves.
I’m just saying that if they would see a fortification or elves would approach them and spoke flat out that it was theirs territory bloodshed could’ve been avoided. just like orcs didn’t go rogue on Darkspears and Tauren. Remember that I’m not saying that they’re innocent. I’m saying that they couldn’t plan it ahead if they were ignorants.
They didn’t go with the intent of slaughtering and conquest, but they ended doing it. And they’ve done it because they were immediately assaulted.
I do agree that there should’ve been attempts to de-escalate stuff and withdraw once they saw it was someone else land.
And well between you and me it was disappointing to see you use double standarts with Amani. I hope you would reconsider that now.
It probably means that during their expansionist phase, humans ended up stumbling into pieces of the forest that were controlled by High Elves, but also other pieces that were part of the troll territory.
To be fair, the mission’s transcript defines it as “talking from the trees” and in fact it was loud enough for everyone in the Warsong camp to stop what they were doing and turn around to see where it was coming from. Other than the Warsong themselves already lamenting that they felt like they were being watched:
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So definitely not whispers! But I understand why the Orcs would be superstitious. Still, once they discovered it was in fact inhabited, and they weren’t welcomed, they yet didn’t have any qualms for bloodbaths and deforestation.
Reiterating it to be sure, while I agree they couldn’t plan ahead and it’s okay for them to be clueless, ultimately ignorance cannot absolve them for what they ended up doing.
The Night Elves were indeed ruthless, their methods were rash. I can criticise them too for their approach.
However, it was still their land and they were within their right to act as they saw fit on what they perceived as demon-tainted invaders (who in the end, ironically became just that)
Well! It wasn’t a double-standard per se, perhaps it was more of a misinformed opinion. I was under the belief the humans were brought to Tyr’s tomb and I was not with the knowledge that Tyr’s tomb was Troll land, hence, unlike the Warsong orcs, they didn’t trespass on foreign borders. I thought the Amani went out to attack first away from their territory, and the humans responded accordingly.
But if it was instead Troll land and the humans trespassed on it, then I stand corrected and I do reconsider my stance. Apologies for the misunderstanding!
Interesting read, but I am surprised anyone is taking Blizzard “lore” still serious.
Anyone, who arrives at a foreign shore - even warriors - (especially) considering the small force that landed in Kalimdor, would have:
a) sent out scouts to get to know the new territory properly
b) any sign of inhabitation (even - or especially - whispers) would have triggered emissaries to be sent out.
Both options would have given the new arrivals an idea of who and how many of them they would be up against were they to opt for a fight.
No-one - unless brain dead - barges into unknown territory swinging a hammer and verbally threatening pillage. This would - in most instances - be “suicide by idiocy”.
That is how the new settlers to America behaved. Also just a boat full. They were scouting the best places. When they came up against the indigenous people of that continent they traded, they gave gifts (albeit useless trinkets in most cases) for lands they wished to occupy, for goods they wished to obtain. But did not threaten or bully them. That came later when they had finally settled in nicely and had survived their first winter thanks to the help of the American Indians. Everything the settlers knew about America they had learned from the Indians only to be used against them at a later stage. Maybe that is the role-model Blizzard wishes to project?
