Void Elves should get Blue eyes in Shadowlands

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The history of the Sin’Dorei is the history of the Quel’Dorei. That anyone would try to deny this is absolutely laughable.

Sin’Dorei is name certain Thalassians use to denote their rememerance of their fallen. That’s it. The only difference between the two groups in terms of lore is since their schism following the fall of Qule’Thalas, and admittedly that’s not an awful lot (mainly arguments about the best way to consume mana and whether the alliance should be trusted or not)

That is not tantamount to their entire histories being different at all. They’ve had different lore/history for about 20 years would it be? (I’m bad at the game time years), that is not tantamount to history. That’s not even a generation gap for Christ’s sake.

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May I add that giving me lessons of Quel’dorei lore that I already know since forever to justify adding High Elves is not going to convince me nor Blizzard.

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They had a shared part of the history just like the night elves and the nightborne had, but later on did separated, and now we have them both on 2 opposite factions.

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Their lore has been separate for 20 years.

Their lore has been collective and united for over 3000 years prior.

And you’re arguing that they’re more different than alike because of this.

Please note, the Nightborne and Night Elves have been separated from each other since the Sundering. That’s a long time for their cultures to deviate to form realistic differences in terms of “race”.

20 years is not enough.

Biologically all Thalassians are the same. A mere political difference is not enough in my opinion to warrant an allied race slot. If it’s to be that way, do the Pandaren thing and have them take one slot, but they can choose a faction. Having an entire alliance slot taken by a race that is IDENTICAL to an entirely separate race on the horde, but simply supports the blue guys, would be a horrendous waste of potential and not to mention beyond lazy in my eyes.

And if you change them so they’re not identical, and they’re somehow different, then they’re no longer High Elves, because as far as the official lore is concerned, High Elves and Blood Elves are the SAME RACE. Their difference is only political. Making them into a race of woodsy woad-wearing rangers with facepaints is corrupting the lore for the rule of cool, and i’m not of the mind that’s a good thing (and also, the facepaint wearing rangers are part of Blood Elf culture as well…so yeah.)

Are you actually serious?

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What about the blood elves part you missed that they drained power from the fel sources which changed them while high elves refused to do so ?

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I am sorry.

But are you saying that vegans are a completely different race?

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The comparison is more similar to the one between the night elves and the nightborne than with the vegans I’m sorry.

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You are literally saying that Blood Elves siphoning magic from living creatures makes them a different race :thinking:

Furthermore, the Blood Elves did not siphon fel, the fel crystals you see in Quel’thalas are used to power the floating buildings while the Sunwell was gone.

The fel crystals are, as far as the lore is concerned, gone by now… as far as the game is concerned, blizzard still haven’t updated TBC zones.

All of the thalassian elves, be they High or Blood Elves, relied on siphoning magic from objects. The Blood Elves added living beings to their abilities, and they also used their Arcane Sanctums to gather magic from leylines - once again, learned from the quests in Eversong Woods.

You people should really go do them… and read them too.

The green eyes is a result of fel-radiation, rather than fel-siphoning.

Just wanted to make that clear.

The main different between High Elves and Blood Elves, is that they are vegans and non-vegans… and factions… basically. In looks and culture they are 100% the same.

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Except Blood Elves didn’t drain fel.

Blood Elves drained mana from living creatures. Fel magic kept the crystals in SC powered and their structures afloat, but they did not mana tap them. The exposure to the fel gave them green eyes, not draining fel directly. Blood Elves who drain fel end up looking like the guy in magister’s terrace. Ie they get red skin and grow horns. This was not a normal practice, as evidenced by the fact that blood elves do not have horns and red skin.

So the only difference between them in mana terms is whether they felt it was acceptable to drain mana from creatures, or leave it to inanimate objects.
This was a decision split only seen over the span of 20 years.
So would hardly amount to any significant changes of biology if any at all (the mana in creatures and objects is the same thing).

Conversely night elves and nightborne were isolated for thousands of years. The Night Elves eschewed using the arcane whereas the nightborne kept using it and were exposed to it continually. That’s why they look slightly different (even then, they don’t look too different really).

This is why the very idea that blood elves and high elves would differ from each other physically at all is absolutely hilarious. Two races separated for over a thousand years, in very different environments still resemble each other in a general way. Yet people claim that a race separated by 20 years that essentially squabble over how their food is sourced (bear in mind the food; mana is the same thing in both cases) would somehow be quite different from each other?

It’s absolute madness.

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Madness?

THIS… IS… HIGH ELVES!

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In the aftermath of the Sunwell’s destruction, the newly named blood elves began to experience the symptoms of withdrawal. Having been bathed in the arcane energies of the Sunwell for thousands of years, the sudden cessation of that energy had an adverse effect on the blood elf population, one that quickly led to illness among the oldest and youngest of the population, and even death in some circumstances. Kael’thas set out to find a cure for this condition, leaving his people behind and traveling to Outland with Illidan Stormrage.

In his absence, the blood elves survived as best they could. One such blood elf was Lady Liadrin, a former priestess of the Light. Like many of her Light-practicing comrades, Liadrin had lost all faith in the Light during the horrific events of the Third War. Rather than succumb to sorrow, she took up a sword and began taking out her aggression on the remnants of the Scourge as a warrior. Her efforts did not go unnoticed. Grand Magister Rommath was sent back to Azeroth from Outland with word from Kael’thas and new methods of tempering the addiction that plagued the blood elf race – methods that included siphoning fel energy.

Source :

https://www.engadget.com/2014/06/08/know-your-lore-the-blood-knights/?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmhyLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAFJgQag_x0N73wirCE6BbQdCqBeWOoBHZkMZduEdZzu5BOiRM232zI26XFg_ndj4beT__spWZ81cwVUUO2ksxQ-CVe8Rmm69_HPz-lTgQSsoYSQbjc3JPASDcGDcyy2yC1MtJMdtIlt6ThSbCrg05AMtzSh-zS_wzcuCJZQG0AyG

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Correct.

It INCLUDES a method to siphoning fel energy.

But once again, have you done and read the quests in Eversong Woods?

The Blood Elves on Azeroth did not siphon fel, the ones in Outland along with Kael’thas may have felt the temptation to do so, but most of them also did not do it. Those who actually did ended up as the Felblood Elves where they got to feast on something far more fel-potent, demon blood.

The novella Blood of the Highborne may be a very good read for you, as in that we learn that;

Rommath encouraged his people to sate their cravings with good judgement, and to strive to maintain the healthy balance between deficiency and overindulgence.
Most blood elves embraced these teachings, using them to drain arcane power from compact mana crystals (which became a popular product) and innocuous mana-bearing vermin. Mana draining could be used on anything containing arcane power, including crystals, artifacts, creatures, and even mortals possessing such power

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Yeah, I know they are raised “recently” which explains them being allied races…

What I meant was that they should probably be grateful to Bolvar for raising them as it seems to me, (if I’ve understood things directly) that every soul of the deceased has gone straight to the Maw aka Super-Hell no matter if they were good or bad :slight_smile:

And thus by becoming Undead, they were (unknowingly perhaps) spared that fate :stuck_out_tongue:
For now anyway.

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It would still say void elves though. Honestly, I’d prefer high elves over void elves, but the deed is done and I highly doubt they will add another similar race. MAAYbe it could happen, but only if Horde gets undead ranger (blood or night) elves (or even undead normal humans).

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They were changed, from Cdev:

Q: How did the blood elven fel eye glint become so widespread? The Warcraft Encyclopedia suggests that Rommath only taught the blood elves of Azeroth about how to siphon arcane magic, as most of the populace would likely be “horrified” if they knew the true extent of Kael’s dealings with Illidan.

A: The situation regarding blood elf eyes is, in fact, extremely similar to that of the green skin of orcs: just being around heavy use of fel magic turned the eyes of the blood elves green. You could be the most pious of priests or most outdoorsy of Farstriders, chances are, if you were a high elf in Quel’Thalas or Outland following the Third War, you were around fel energies, and your eyes would turn green. Like the orcs’ skin color, such an effect would take a very long time to wear off. Fel magic works a bit like radiation in this sense; it permeates the area and seeps into anything in the vicinity. Anything near a source of fel magic shows signs of slight corruption, it just so happens that high elves and orcs manifest it in a very visual way.

  • And this is where some elves started to separate their ways :

Counteracting magic withdrawal The elves had been sustained by the Sunwell for several millennia, during which time they had become dependent upon its power. The need to feed upon the arcane only became truly apparent after the Sunwell’s destruction when the elves were cut off from the constant flow of magic the well suffused every fiber of their beings with.

Bereft of their Sunwell, the blood elves were forced to deal with their addiction differently. Through Illidan Stormrage (who maintained that magical addiction cannot be conquered by any means, only sated), Prince Kael’thas acquired the teachings of stripping arcane magic from other sources, be it mana-bearing items or creatures. This process was dubbed the " [Mana Tap]," and became an important and increasingly essential part of the elves’ lives. Kael instructed Rommath to spread these teachings back home in Quel’Thalas, as a way to sate—but not cure—the elves’ addiction to magic. The knowledge was passed down until all blood elves had learned the techniques necessary to draw arcane energies from crystals, artifacts, creatures, or even mortals who commanded such power. This technique was a cause of contention: some deemed it as immoral, while others callously overused it and were physically warped into what became known as the Wretched.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Blood_elf

  • And fel crystals in the Silvermoon weren’t there just for the decoration sake, just found this on the reddit :

“Kristine Denny says: Your choice of decor is intriguing, Kelemar. Tell me - why the arcane frippery?”

“Ambassador Kelemar says: It is not simply a beautification measure, but also a morale booster. It demonstrates to our people that we have a great deal of power at our fingertips, and with it… we can do nearly anything.”

The Elves of Quel’thalas have always had an intensely magical city. Perhaps they could have just had a normal city logistically, but none of them would have wanted that. They /wanted/ a magical city as thats what they were used to and comfortable with.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/Horde_Emissaries

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I know all of this.

And the difference you speak of only talks about a difference in between Nightborne and Blood/High Elves.

The Nightborne will turn withered due to the lack of magic.
Blood/High Elves will turn wretched if they absorb too much.

There is no physical difference, turning into a wretched is what happens to all thalassian elves if they overindulge on magic.

As mentioned.

There is absolutely no difference in High Elves and Blood Elves aside from the eyecolour, factions and whether they are vegan or not.

Quel’Lithien was a High Elven lodge in the Plaguelands, however, all the High Elves there turned wretched after finding a magical item and they simply could not contain themselves.

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High elves never accepted the same techniques the blood elves did which changed their appearance and remained in the alliance or were exiled from the blood elf society because they couldn’t accept the blood elf ways.

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Exactly…

Vegans vs non-vegans.

What does this have to do with them being physically or culturally different?

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Helfs are a belfs story device. Their only thing is going “grrr, grrr, I hate belfs for no reason, grrr”. That’s the legendary difference between the belfs and Helfs.

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All I’m saying how there are good reasons with some unique customizations which could make them distinct enough from the be for implementing them into the alliance. If Blizzard wishes to do so there are ways.