For some reason, warrior class talent tree has from the start imo been the worst out of all the melees and ive played them all. The biggest complaint is how the dmg profile depends on the class talent tree. There are other problems that have been fixed like valuable utility talents being hard to reach/take which has for the most part been remediated in TWW and also ive also seen improvements on the Midnight Beta. But the dps dependency is a problem that is actually looking like its going to become an even bigger problem in Midnight which is just extraordinary.
All other melee classes like for example paladins bottom tier talents are about increasing healing taken or dmg reduction leaving you alot of wiggle room and flexibility in how you choose the above talent points
Meanwhile all 4 for warriors are vital for our dmg profile, and even one of them is vital for the groups dmg profile (battle shout) so you can bet that your group will be pissed if you dont talent that.
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Yeah the have really done a number on fury, I do wonder if the dev’s incharge of warriors talents and balance every actually play the class or is it all spreadsheet balancing.
Things are not looking good for midnight 
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I think having a talent that increases the potency of battleshout in 2026 is wild, having this in 2005 was a burden you put up with on the way to cool talents, having it as an end talent in Midnight is unbelievably naff.
The talent trees are not good, who is designing the Warrior class and why has he still got a job?
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it called compromise…… they made changes as they were boring and bland before the changes and now i’m enjoying them massively cause they have given us creativity to build our OWN BUILDS NOT SHEEP BUILDS
fear and piercing howl on same node is a joke. there is so many talents that could be just deleted straight up and nobody would notice since they are pure number tuning hidden in a node that block more flexible and fun builds. same with fury and avatar/bladestorm in same place. slayer arms and fury feel so bad like level 40 character thane feels clunky. the only change i like is the new spear but still why not add something fun like new ability instead of making 3 talents that used to always taken anyway lmao forced and boring
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blizzard nice job one more time new pach and the warrior is garbage al is 0 but all is 0 nothing at all your developers fail totaly and you want 13 euros per month for that game with no balance gg worst developers ever
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Removing or putting old abilities in same talents.
Like fear and piercing howl. Who in their right mind did that? And yes I spec thunder clap and improved thunder clap because of that stupidity.
Avatar and bladestorm for fury? Two iconic abilities? Also rend should be baseline.
Am I the only one who got tired of removing certain abilities just to bring them back in the next expansions and call this something new?
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Great points guys, im equally disappointed about the talent’s and Arms warrior in general, i think that spec should be reworked
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Also arms feels so bad in damage in pvp. I hope s1 in midnight this change.
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I never managed to play pvp on warrior when he was good so far, i choose my timing very bad it seems 
I suffered a lot this season to get 2.2k i think
Class is already very bad but got 2 nerfs in a week. They allow unbelievable one shots from other classes, I seriously cannot find any logic from their actions anymore..
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It’s not about last TWW season, it’s about Midnight pre-patch. Arms felt pretty good to me untill they changed talents and messed it all up. Midnight pre-patch comes out and suddenly this char is weak..? Wtf 
Ouch I accidentally picked up wrong avatar 