Yeah, BM with the buffs on the 17th/18th is doing less than half of the damage MM and SV is doing in Raid and M+ aka 3-target/Funnel/Prio which is pretty much every single boss in current tier and m+ we will need much bigger buffs to be competitive
We just had a season of BM dominance; you can play MM or Survival for once you’ll live
i just checked statistics on wowlogs and the position of MM and SV in M+ s3 was not bad at all it was middle of the pack, which is actually a good thing
BM current situation is terrible we dont talk middle of the pack but bottom tier, the changes they did to spec were terrible and make it hard to clear even open world content
how about we pay for this game and want to play bm and having it useless even to farm world content is bad?
also i wonder why people dont want to play those fine specs mm and a meme spec id say sv
also i wonder how come blizzard is ignoring such a popular class as hunter in a fantasy MMO the only class that uses BOWS
look at the love paladin got
Where did I say that is has to be domineering? All we are asking for is for it to be on par of other classes or at least on par of our other specs.
And yes BM was strong for the LAST season of TWW completely ignoring the fact that BM was garbage and had to have a total of 4 complete reworks.
And the only reason it was as strong as it was where due to the spec interacted really well with strong damage amp trinkets not so much because the spec itself was strong it was only due to a happy accident not due to proper class design.
Honestly I’m sick and tired of being raked over to coals and blizzard firefighter arson take on game design sure I can just play a different spec problem is both MM and SV are not only completely different play styles and completely different class fantasies.
MM is slow and methodical and so boring it puts me to sleep
SV feels more like playing an outlaw rogue with a pet I have no idea who designed this spec, but it’s not like playing a hunter at all.
BM was supposed to be the high APM spec with pets that deals constant steady damage with momentary burst, but now It’s clunky beyond belief it’s not flowing well at all while being slow its just wrong
I will never understand how anyone can find BM enjoyable but regardless; you aren’t a BM hunter, you are a hunter - part of playing a pure DPS class is accepting that because you have the option to change specs sometimes you have to to be optimum
Honestly the nature of how BM plays it should never, ever be the strongest hunter spec for obvious reasons
Why because they can move and still do their dps? And dont say because its brainded ever spec now is braindead.
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i will never understand how many play classic in 2026 spamming frostbolt and nothing else, no mechanics in raids, no m+
i will never understand why would any one think a spec should do no damage because the rotation is simple, or it should be trash tier
i will never understand why would anyone think he is special in his own mind playing something harder than something else by his own standards
why is for example havoc harder than bm while its 3 button press, sv is 3 button spec unlimited mobility as well
battle for azeroth last season bm was the strongest spec with simple rotation everyone played, it was played on tournaments on wfr, no one cried it was boring
people just have to add some stupid standards to explain their own fails, look again i got outdpsed by a bm, it is not right, it should not be like that i have 2 more buttons to press and whatever you come up with
Once again I said nothing about being optimal we want two things be on par with the other specs and the gameplay to be smooth I could not care less about being the “meta spec”
The whole oh BM should be the worst because its “brain dead” is such an asinine way of thinking especially in midnight where the majority of classes and specs are “brain dead”
Compare it to other hunter specs
MM is ranged but can’t do DPS while moving
Survival can do DPS while moving but is melee
BM can do full damage while moving, at range - so if it does better or equal damage to the other specs, there is no reason to play them
BM has a great niche as the easiest spec in the game to play, people can talk about other specs being simple but nothing comes close to BM simplicity after the midnight rework, you literally CANNOT play the spec incorrectly
But to that end it should have a pretty low ceiling of how good it can be; hunter is my most played class after mage and every time BM is meta it is a miserable and boring experience
BFA BM had a fair degree of gameplay though; staying at 3 stacks of flurry from barbed shot whilst banking enough barbed shot charges that you could almost have perma bestial wrath was a level of skill expression
You will never be on par with the other specs if you want them to actually feel different to play; there will always be a better choice
To that point - BM isn’t even the weakest spec in the game currently in the sims
I’m pretty sure you’re just trolling at this point because you clearly have no idea what your talking about your just pulling random stuff out of your butt
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bfa bm was easy to play the only thing you had to do was to keep 3 stacks nothing else, aoe spam multishot, weave combra shot to lower cool down, level of skill was the huge apm it had because of the monstrous haste we had due to corruptions
idk why even bother with him because he is probably a troll, every class in wow can be sum up with a rotation of 4 buttons, aim shot, arcane shot, rapid fire true shot every 2 mins, volley on cd run out of focus steady shot, also you have visual indicators every time you have to press arcane/multi or aimshot, sounds complicated to you, not sure about that
the stupidity of MM is 2.2 seconds aim shot funny thing is if you get hit by mobs it gets even longer, who thought its fun
sv kill command spend tip on bomb or raptor strike, take down, boomstick on cd…thats it, is this quantum physics for you
this could go on for havoc, for paladin and more
i just think BM over the years over traumatised people being on top on dps meter, youd go to dungeon outdps everyone and the only excuse others have is but its bm he has 2 less buttons to press
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You can quite literally look up the current sims yourself - BM isn’t anywhere near the lowest; it’s certainly on the weaker side yes but some specs are gonna be the weaker ones in a patch it is inevitable - on pure single target pack leader BM is actually pretty good
I never said BFA BM wasn’t easier, but it had a great deal more complexity than it does today and there was actually a meaningful gap between a BM hunter who played properly and one who didn’t - the current version of BM you literally cannot play incorrectly unless you’re doing it on purpose
the sims on raidbots will not absolutely apply to game when raid release, not sure but not many really st fights in raids and quite useless in M+
and whatever on THE LOWER END JUST ABOVE TANKS, SHADOW PRIEST, ENCH SHAMAN AND ARCANE MAGE WITH SUPERIOR VARIANTS
this topic was created not about damage output but because of blizzard doing crap with bm, but thats too complicated for complicated with many buttons to press classes
idk out of his mind
Pure single target is irrelevant there is pretty much not a single pure single target boss in the whole of the first raid all of them benefit from AOE damage it’s all 3target/funnel/prio same as all of m+.
And once again while damage is part of the issue the biggest problem is that the game play it self is horrendous.
I mean that’s been true for BM for multiple expansions now; cobra shot might be the worst feeling button in the game to press; and kill command/barbed shot don’t feel much better
The spec needs a complete rework imo
I played some MM right now and its quite simple if oyu have not tried go for it
basically the top build right now is with aspect of hydra and rotation evolves around just spamming aimshot and arcane shot and buffing them with rapid fire volley and trueshot thats it
the trick shot interraction is not played right now and you never press multishot
Blizzard should of simply reverted the 19% to all damage nerf, that was OTT in the first place.