When will the alliance finally lose?

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I give Erevien the pot horse lose twice a warchief, but yet still horde is still alive, yet even whith those loses tehy keep threir strengh, and he overlook that - on purpose.

What he wont as horde leasership are just corrupt, blothrirty savages ans backstaber
like for orks he wanted balckhand- you know, who was just a lapdog of the legion as leader for the Horde
Or for tauren magatha grimtotem- who staged a coup d’etat durging the shatering and slaugther people of thunderbluff, even for terror.
For Bloodelves kael`that- the guy who sold his people to the Legion- and backstab illidan
For nightborn elisane- who sold her people to the legion- just to continue living in wealth and decadence.
for Goblins Gallywixx- the guy wh triked and backstabed you, and intnedted to inslave you and your people durging the GOg start scenario.

His vision of horde leadership is just villians who dont care for the well being of the horde and even sell your people off

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A situation he was pushed into due to terrible writing decisions, a deliberate bait and switch in relation to his character and due to being betrayed by the Alliance/Kirin Tor.

There’s a great many people, myself included, who would have liked Kael’thas to be the racial leader for the Blood Elves.

You and your ilk are always very disingenuous when it comes to discussing what the various races within the Horde have lost, though.

The Alliance still have:

  • Khadgar
  • Alleria
  • Jaina
  • Tyrande
  • Genn
  • Malfurion

As racial leader figures who are still alive and kicking in some form. Sure, they’ve lost the likes of Varian but he went out through a heroic sacrifice and was replaced with his son in a natural line of succession. Meanwhile practically every single playable race in the Horde has been forced to see a racial leader killed off either unceremoniously or by being hit by the crazy bat.

That wasn’t her reasoning at all. She simply didn’t believe that the Burning Legion could be defeated which is a reasonable stance in the face of a near endless threat that intended to come back again and again until it won.

She sought to protect her people as a priority, which is to be commended in itself, then the moment she realised there was a credible path to beating back the Burning Legion she didn’t act as a sore loser but even provided invaluable aid to the ‘Champions of Azeroth’.

I say this as someone who doesn’t particularly care for either the Horde or the Alliance and sees both factions as a detriment to the far more interesting potential of various individual playable races, so you can’t accuse me of ‘Horde bias’.

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I seriously doubt Sylvanas will be back or Gallywix , Sylvanas has been destroyed so heavily that only way they bring her into story is to give actual redemption story and kill her off.
They wrote her into an corner, and if they even bringed her back leading forsaken the uproar would be high considering she is an mass murderer cause of the charachter assassination that happened. And Gallywix wont ever be horde or even goblin leader at this point of the story, they already wrote that even into a corner too.

Id personally take Sylvanas back or Nathanos to lead the forsaken but after all what has happened and how i know when that kind of decision would make people go crazy and whine about it everywhere it wouldnt happen

So yea it doesnt look good at all for horde leadership otherwise either

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You can doubt all you want.
But the fact is that Sylvannas has too much of a fan base for her to be permanently removed from the WoW story line. She will inevitably return. Similar to Illidan Stormrage. He was just hanging out with Sargeras at the end of the Legion expansion. But rumour has it that he will return some way and Sargeras as well.

This is in fitting with her character.
Sylvannas Windrunner was always an evil character. The Forsaken was used for her convenience. First as a weapon against the Lich King her “arrow in the dark” then as a means to stay out of WoW hell her “bulwark against the infinite”.

The Menethil line was only relevant with Arthas. But they have ruined his character in Shadowlands. They can retcon some things or do a Ghostbusters 2016 and just decanonize some things.

It does not change the facts though. Gazlowe is just an inventor and engineer. But Gallywix is money. A true Goblin that is all about the money. Gallywix single handidly funded the Horde war effort during the 4th war. So the Horde has lost it’s bank with the loss of Gallywix.

The Horde still has leaders. Some might dislike the leaders that they have got but they are leaders nonetheless.

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You really underestimate how much uproar anything sylvanas related got. but i quess you were part of those people who were angry about anything her related considering you are seeing her as pure villain from start, but not gonna argue cause this thing has been talked over million times here

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It is odd that there is still so much projection. When you can simply talk to them.
The Sylvannas fandom is well know. Has been for a long time. Mishandling her character did annoy everyone even those outside of the Sylvannas fandom.

The challenge will be HOW Sylvannas will return to WoW but it is inevitable that she will return.
Sylvannas was kind of a tragic character. Simply a general that died trying to save her people and country. But what she became was her choice.

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There is also anti-sylvanas fandom which has been there for long time.
It will be really hard job to em to actually make it that everyone is satisfied and they always listen the louder ones. Truthfully i don’t see that people would be fine even if they did redeeming arc and put her as forsaken leader again there would be uproar. And i personally want actually good story to fix it all, as i personally said sylvanas was always tragic figure and actually pulling an good conclusion for this would be so hard to do

They also seem to forget somethings, she wanted to give all choice which she was never given herself. I do hope they remember it this time when they bring her back
Forsaken were really Anti-authoritarianism originally but by time it was forgotten with the writing

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The entire Horde council sucks and are traitors who abandoned the true goal of defeating the alliance for good.

The alliance was allowed to keep all their old leaders and that is unfair.

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Sylvanas will return and you can’t stop it. Suck on that alliance scum.

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They don’t. They have puppets under the control of Stormwind.

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At least you are still consistent.
They took the chance for the Alliance to kill the banshee queen.
So will be great to get that chance again. Makes sure that she stays dead this time.

Have to also kill Derek Proudmoore. To free his soul from the curse of Undeath that the Horde forced upon him.

Stormwind has no Horde rulers as puppets.

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The alliance will fall.

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The Horde tried that with the 4th war.
The Horde was defeated.

More challenges await the Alliance than the Horde.

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and you will never get high elves.

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I did not think that Blizzard will give Red Skin Manari as well or Draenai and Lightforged Draenai Warlocks. But here we are. Now that is a thing.
High Elves for the Alliance is inevitable. Only a question of HOW they implement it.

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Also Jaina and her crimes will be punished cold as justice for the murder she committet.

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What crimes?
The Zandalari Trolls struck first leaving only 1 Alliance ship to sail back to tell the story.
The Blood Elves that attacked in Dalaran. Well she defended herself. Others that did not were unharmed and left in violet hold prison. During this “purge” of Dalaran.

If you speak of Jaina’s crimes. Then selling her father to the Horde for the sake of peace. Only to have that same Horde bomb Theramore is punishment. However the Kul Tiran people seems to have forgiven this transgression.
Jaina is not a Saintess. But you have to be more specific.

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ans as usal for horde fanboys: he is neutral, not allinace.
Until his defed by Xalàtah he was head of the kirin tor

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and i know he is “alive” / geting saved during the campange"

so, why dint tehy further stay in their dome, i mean it held for 20k ywears and keep the legion during the war of the ancients.
They coud again sit iz our like previusy.

started a war, commit genocide and being the lapdog of the jailor for a cosmic wide attemted genocide, betrying the hore which is nothing to her

yeah, she wont come back, people woud be outraged , even her trial and she got an redemtion was undeserved- considering hoch much dmage she did on azeroth and beyond, it was only done because Danuser is a big sylvanas fanboy (and yes- he admited he is an syvie fanboy)

she had teh fanbase, yes, like garrosh and still his char was dicared, she is beyond redmetion and shoud habe been kiled of after what she did.

Its the same as you woud try remdemtion on the austrain mustache painter

and you repat taht over and over for, what, 5, 6 years now?
ans still alliance is there.
and will never disappear.
Never gioonna happen, everoney ecept you know that.

Even lorewise, as Milten said it, horde try and failed (also ebcause gameply reason)
but keep on show how disillusioned you are that peope can make more fun of you :clown_face:

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I feel almost sorry for the Zandalari Trolls. They lost their fleet, they lost their most powerful Loas, and in the story they have been irrelevant after they got introduced in bfa

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Blizzard has human bias that is why Jaina will always show up no matter the situation.

Molten is lying as usually. The Stormwind struck first when they kidnapped Talanji and tried to kill her. I feel not sorry for any blue ship that was sunken.