When will the alliance finally lose?

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I see you failed to read my post in full. I’m not a ‘Horde fanboy’. I despise both factions, as I have repeatedly pointed out at this point across many threads.

Furthermore, he’s more aligned with the Alliance and heavily tied to various Alliance aligned characters. The game has a track record of presenting characters as ‘neutral’ when in actuality they have much deeper ties to one faction over the other.

It’s a devious method to force yet more humans into the story.

I can’t post screenshots but check the dungeon guide for the Arcway, specifically the boss there named General Xakal. Elisandre’s hands were tied and the Burning Legion were ready to destroy Suramar altogether if she did not do as they say.

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The Trolls as a race are losers. Those that remain are not even has-beens. The Zandalari tried to band them together with the Lei Shen thing.
The Amani were the only ones among them to become relatively dangerous. But stomped by Medivh when they attacked Stormwind and the humans when humans saved Quel Thelas.

It is not a lie. I have demonstrated the evidence but you disagree with facts and evidence.
A thick mist blocked the view of the Zandalari Trolls fleet. Once the disabling ship was neutralised the Alliance fleet stopped shooting cannons.
It is like a police car that does a pit maneuver meant to stop a chase.

The Zandalari Troll fleet shot first and didn’t bother asking questions.

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The alliance fleet waved into Zandalari Waters. They had it coming. I celebrate every dead human sailor. The american forum agrees on this btw.

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How many Zandalari Trolls died because of it?
Yes there was the Zhul vs Rhastakhan civil war. But Talanji has good reason to fear the Alliance so much so that she fled to the Horde.

But that was a time of war and the Zandalari Trolls had to be taught a lesson.
They did their duty. Defended the city to their dying moments. Problem for them is that they stood in our way.
The Alliance robbed the Horde of their prize. A powerful ally. In time Talanji might rebuild but that is a very long time.

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The fact you make fun of it shows the obvious bias Blizzard has.

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I’ll admit to be rather indifferent to and even actively disliking trolls (especially the Amani) but even I can see that they’ve been handled rather poorly and treated like fodder to be unceremoniously cut down.

Really, though, it’s outright weird to see some of the posters trying to goad you be otherwise ‘based’ in other threads only to suddenly devolve into petty tribalism when they’re well aware that writing issues already plague the game in the name of DEI/ESG.

Which, sure, is a problem - but another, far more glaring issue is the lack of accountability for various characters and factions in the game. Despite all the screeching over the Burning of Teldrassil (which was a dumb writing decision) you can go back further to find various examples of the Horde losing leader figures and racial identity just so the Alliance can play the part of the victim and ‘heroes’ whilst doing nothing to pay for their own sins.

The fact is, this game’s story hasn’t been well or consistently written for quite some time. You can argue that the problems first began with the decision to turn Lady Vashj, Illidan and Kael’thas into cackling raid bosses despite them having ample potential to be so much more than that.

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Molten is an alliance partisan and dunks on every opportunity handed to them on a golden plate by Blizzard. The Raid on the troll city was just the most obvious one.

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Besides a few Troll fans. Most don’t care for the fate of Trolls. But they are survivors to their credit.
You cheered for the death of humans slain by the Zandalari Troll fleet.
So you can not expect people for the oppossite faction to care for your plight.

To the Horde High Exarch Yrell is some Light based Tyrant. But for the Alliance. Especially those that remember her childhood and watched her grow. She is like a small seed that became a sapling, now stands as a Tree that stands tens of meters even 100 meters into the sky.
Truly someone to be proud of.

The bombing of Theramore the death of the High Elves that lived there. Of course the Horde will care nothing of those they murder. As well as the genocide of the Night Elves with Teldrassil or the Gilneans driven from their nation and being exiles for so long before finally returning home.

Erevien you complain about Horde losses but the Horde has not really lost much of anything. So one Blood Elf died in Azure Span and you act like the Scourge just slaughtered your people again.
Horde losses are minimal in comparison to the Alliance. The Alliance endures much but becomes stronger and better.

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The Zandalari Trolls were simply a problem.
They shot first. When you start a fight you do not control how it is ended. Only have yourselves to blame for starting a fight.
Then people - kingdoms - organisations are very different in times of war. The Horde began a war again. So aiding the Horde in a time of war among other things made the Zandalari Trolls and their kingdom a legitimate military target. Nothing more.

We came - we slaughtered Rhastakhan and those who stood in our way - we left.
If it was the Horde then Alliance civilians and children will not be safe. Horde civilians and Horde children have no reason to fear the Alliance.

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In terms of lore characters the alliance didn’t lose anything. They even got their whole old squad back. you are lying yet again as always.

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Lile Kael’thas, Blizzard did the Zandalari Empire (and trolls in general) a dirty!

But they needed to beat them down because the Horde was already winning the Fourth War, as Genn and Anduin state in one of the cinematics the Alliance was so desperate they were on the verge of conscripting the farmers to fight, and we all know how that is really, really bad.

Then later we see the Horde Loyalists are still strong enough to defeat the Grand Alliance and Horde Rebels prompting Saurfang to call for a mak’gora as a desperate last measure.

If the Horde got the Zandalari Empire at full strength? Humanity and night elves would be extinct by this point.

For once, I agree with you.

It was very anoying to see Jaina Proudmoore and Genn Greymane take centerstage in Nazjatar, instead of Tyrande Whisperwind, Malfurion Stormrage or Mordent Evenshade.

Atleast the Horde got Lor’themar Theron and Thalyssra Theron, which were appropriate.

I’m not an Alliance fanboy either. Please ignore my entire posts that show that I am.

I say I am not after all :smirk:

Point in case, Thrall showing up everywhere in Cataclysm. Hamuul Runetotem bieng inserted in Cenarion (thus night elf) stories.

That’s true. Where’s the gnomes? Dwarves? Draenei??

Those were the Gurubashi tribe, and if Medivh didn’t go nuclear, they would have won.

Also, Llane was to blame for that, cuz his dad didn’t wanna fight with Jok’non, or later Zon’non, exactly because he knew how dangerous trolls were.

The problem is the Alliance is too squeeky clean, and even if the Alliance is the aggressor somewhere, it’s later retconned to have them be right.

The other problem is the Horde is too evil, whenever they invade somewhere they gleefully go on mass-murdering killing sprees that doesn’t spare civilians, children, or the innocent. And the few that go “hey, we might be going to far” are treated as outliers, and if they band together in a rebellion, they are still the smaller of two Hordes.

While technically correct that was not the intended outcome for the Alliance.

Now ofcourse we’re going with two contradicting scenarios, but in the Alliance raid Rastakhan was praised for the fight they gave the Alliance and offered that he could formally surrender without having to abdicate his throne, but he chose to fight to the death.

In the Horde scenario, the Alliance gleefully invaded, mocked the God-King and than laughed over his corpse.

We don’t know which one is true tho.

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Rastakhan will be avenged.

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Blademaster Teelamon of the Lightforged Draenai knew that he was going to his death when the Horde and Zandalari army was lured into the swamps of Nazmir.
It took the Horde champion - leader of the Darkspear Trolls and 2 Zandalari Trolls combined to slay Blademaster Teelamon.

Then there is the Kul Tiran’s who blocked the Horde champions as the Alliance was withdrawing from the successful mission to put down Rhastakhan King of the Zandalari Trolls.
The defenceless civilians of Brennadam that the Horde launched an unprovoked attack against. Until the Alliance eliminated the Horde threat and rescued survivors.

Rokhan the Arch Mage husband to Vareesa Windrunner and father of their children was one of those murdered by the Horde during the bombing of Theramore.

Admiral Taylor that once led the Alliance expedition back in Pandaria.
Varian Wrynn High King of the Alliance killed in Legion.
Prophet Velen was deceived into killing his own son by Kiljhadden.

Delaryn Summermoon and the many Night Elves genocided by the Horde when they burned Teldrassil. Only to be enslaved by the Horde in Undeath.
The Horde plagued Undercity just to clean up the mess they created and return it back to Horde control. Losing nothing.

You call me a liar. But the Alliance losses are clear.
The Alliance has already lost many people. But will also lose even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCqPqkCYuIA&t=309s

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Once again. The Zandalari Trolls were an independent sovereign people under the reign of King Rhastakhan. Only during the reign of Queen Talanji did the Zandalari Trolls become members of the Horde.

There is literally nothing for the Horde to “avenge”.
Just like how High Exarch Yrell kicking the Maghar Orcs butts is not something that the Alliance is responsible for.

Erevien you keep calling me a liar and I keep proving you wrong.
Don’t you get tired of spreading fake news?

You are correct. Got the wrong Troll Tribe. But isn’t the Amani Trolls an off-shoot of the Gurubashi Trolls? Just as the Darkspear Trolls are also an off shoot of the Gurubashi.
Not fully paying attention but the Trolls did unite against the Bug war. Alakir or something.

But yes. Medivh did carry the raid that day. Twice.

The only time the Alliance took charge was Genn Greymane during Legion. But the rest of the Alliance and Horde fought the Legion while the Gilneans vs Forsaken fought their own war.

The Horde was always the bad guys. An invdaing force that the Alliance have to defeat and keep in check. The power balance is off as well. As the Horde are portrayed as strong enough to be at war with the Alliance and have a civil war / internal conflicts at the same time.

After the deal that Rhastakhan made with Bwonsamedi he was NEVER going to abdicate the throne. The Alliance champions had to face the Loa of death as he once again interfered in an attempt to save Rhastakhan.

The Gnomes were planning to steal all of the gold in Dazar’alor. The funny thing is the Gnomes could find a way to steal the entire Golden city.
Teaching the Zandalari Trolls a lesson - Denying the Horde a powerful ally that could shift the balance of power in the Horde’s favour. These goals were accomplished in one strike.

Mekkatorque was wounded by the Horde champions but he recovered.

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Molten talking nonsense again. So funny to watch.

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WoW history is nonsense?
You come across as a Forums Troll.
You start a thread about the Alliance not experiencing any losses. You are told some of the specific Alliance loses. Then you claim that said Alliance losses are nonsense.

Seeing what Anduin Wrynn has become. More specifically what Woke writers have done to him. The Alliance lost a great leader with the death of Varian Wrynn.

This is the what is wrong with the way you think.
This sense of Equity (Equity means equal outcome) does not actually work.
The Alliance and Horde must have equal numbers of wins and losses in War? Must have equal losses in leaders? Must have equal numbers in leaders and champions of their people?

Simply put. The Alliance is not the Horde. The Horde is not the Alliance.
The Zandalari Trolls openly embraced Necromancy through the Loa Bwonsamedi. The Horde openly embraced Necromancy through their last Warchief Sylvannas Windrunner.

Both peoples forced their soldiers to “serve” even in death.
There has not been any record thus far of the Alliance dabbling in Necromancy and Undeath.

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The alliance must lose otherwise the game will never be fair. Simple as that.

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And by fairnes we all know, you mean dismantele the allinace-which i dindt count and actualy care anmyore, wont ever happen.

I dont ask, since i alredy know your answer: for alliance it woudn`t be fair if they all of sudden lose , after all the beatinsg the alliance endure and only won because of “fairnes”, because blizzard hurt the alliance way more then the Horde (especaly during BFA)
It woudn be just another setback live so many befor, so horde has no serius right to copmain or complain about fainres

Perosnal revanchism isnt fairnes, ist stupid favorism and bias

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The only thing you will be content with is the death and complete ruin of the Alliance.
Gilneans lost their homes for more than a decade. Gilnean children whose parents fled with nothing but the clothes on their bodies. Now return as adults, some of them trained by the Stormwind guard so as to defend their homes with their own hands.

Gnomes will probably never return to Gnomeragon. The accident I think killed 80% - 90% of the Gnome population. Night Elf presence among Kalimdor should be greatly diminished with the loss of Teldrassil.

The Alliance should expand and gain new territories. But Blizzard devs favour the Horde so the Alliance are just maintaining the territories that we have left.

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The alliance doesen’t need more land. They already own both continents.