it’s not odd to me that we’re different and that we are seen as different, and that we have different expectations on us and that we are treated differently based on all of this.
there may be justice, and should be, regardless.
i mean, it’s not hypocritical that we are inherently different.
but anyway, i think that it’s better for me to not talk to you guys anymore. i don’t see the use and i think that you are trolling this thread.
You and your toxins.
lol
Just take an antidote?
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They should absolutely be judged by the same standards in my view, and I say this as a woman.
What Garrosh was doing by comparison of what Azshara did was nothing. She destroyed the landmass through her own selfish wishes and through a total disrespect for Kalimdor herself, her people, the High Priestess of her Goddess, her Chief Defender…she wanted all them dead so she could have her own world.
It’s no different than Garrosh painting Pandaria red.
Azshara wanted Kalimdor painted in -Highborne Perfection- colours.
Now what Garrosh and Sylvanas did - they are more of the same. Garrosh for Theramore and Pandaria.
Sylvanas for Teldrassil and Kul’Tiras.
Likewise - what Kael’thas and Elisande did…they weren’t “toxic” per say - they were blinded by their own ambitions to save their peoples.
i want to talk about the war in world of warcraft, which includes antidotes as it’s handy in case you get poisoned from an enemy.
They’re not behaving the same, and I say this as a man. Meaning that there’s different kinds of bad behaviours from both. Toxic masculinity is about behaviour seen typically from men, hence it’s a male thing. Women can absolutely do the same but they won’t be seen the same since it’s a typical male behaviour. Like a violent woman will be seen as masculine, and that makes her toxically masculine. But she won’t be seen as that because she’s a woman, instead it’ll be seen as inappropriate in a different way.
Well the two characters in question - they are basically behaving in the same way, only she did it far worse than he.
If she saw what he was doing, she’d laugh and say “child’s play - I destroyed Kalimdor.”
It isn’t fair to judge the two of them on their actions, directly because nobody can say, with honesty and without being sexist towards men, that he did it worse. She was far worse.
But you are right in that it is different.
Both of them breathe “toxic.”
Garrosh’s cinematic with Nazgrim before MoP and being very angry, active and destroying the model boats.
Azshara looking at herself in the 8.2 cinematic, still believing that she is the best thing that was ever born.
Narcissism is a bit of a female thing, despite Narcissus being male.
Thing though, about narcissism, is that Narcissus was truly the most beautiful and that it was a terrible waste when he perished. Not what narcissism is about but I think it’s food for thought.
Anger issues and hasty actions are male though.
Those are pretty much bad traits but not really related to actions. Like destroying Azeroth.
Indirectly they are but not directly.
Thinking highly about oneself, being arrogant, may cause a lot of havoc and destruction with the access to power. So could premature acting. Different behaviour may carry the same result.
Edit: Let’s say it like this then:
An angry cat isn’t interpreted the same as an angry dog. They behave differently and prompts a different reaction. The descriptor, “angry”, doesn’t mean the same because they’re not the same as they behave differently.
A confused professor is not the same as a confused narcomaniac, they’re not treated the same and not interpreted the same.
It’s a coctail, a mix, and the mixing changes the meaning of both components.
We can keep the war alive in pvp, but there’s a reason most of us moved on to 40k as our main geek thing.
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Guildwars Is better cooded their boot up exe doesnt take 5-10min to boot their looting system in 40man raids doesn’t take 10min to loot the target I dont know why we don’t fix small stuff like the looting stuff in shadow lands raids had personal loot in random pugs.
Torgasth had auto loot targets and you could rush the game.
Instead they add a another Moody expansion with ''Strong independent body type 2 content i wont thread it due to people hate people like me. But I do care at this point, It makes my eye bleed to see this mom story lines.
Like They can do better content than these small patches just make more content like we had in dragonflight with FACTION wide problems like we all has to thread on stop being like champion be like heroes instead.
blizzard needs to stop the singularity thread and move towards the WE matters not the 1%
I’m tired of this 1% matters expansions.
Like all seasons we only see a small % matters the rests are like down there somewhere move away from Champion content be more HEROES content instead.
pvp this season and previous season is done so much better with the Auto quee Rated Battle grounds.
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/matchmaking-is-the-only-real-fix-for-the-m-problem/
blizzard needs to add this to m+
When blizzard tries to secure the people they are losing instead of worrying about the people that are playing we will see changes.
yea… not worth reading.
keep to talking about pvp and how that can be implemented, changed or improved, don’t branch out into your political agenda. it’s tiresome and stupid, no one care about ur body type anxiety. Not with me though, you memer; good riddance.
What would that be then? I haven’t played any recent Warhammer game. But I think that I bought Vermintide 2 to check it out but never did. Worth it? Or is there some other game you’re thinking of?
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I doubt most of went to 40K, saying this in POV, that has the complete opposite issue as wow has, there isnt nothing to root for logically when everyone is an villain or gets an villain bat when some actually good guys rise up and then fanbase gets angry that its not grimdark enough
I do like the original ideas it was supposed to be it has strayed from the path long time ago what it was
She was hardly revered and many condemned her. The whole meme of morally grey.
Many also didn’t appreciate butchering her cunning character to fit the stupid narrative of BfA and SL.
They completly turned even her motivations to mush, she was supposed to be traumatized pragmatic who does anything for her people and even for herself.
Which leads to her going too far manytimes
Also freedom of choosing was always part of her arc heavily and they took it away with bfa and sl story,
And she had loyal fanbase but the haters were more loud
banshee queen?
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I don’t think it has the opposite issue of wow. it’s just different, and I’d say it has overall way less problems. 40k is nice for people, who like 40k, while world of warcraft doesn’t know anymore what it is, and what made it popular in the first place. Its RTS roots seem to have vanished completely now. If I had to guess, I think that the story Blizzard has told with Arthas from WC 3 until Wrath of the lich king is the reason, why wow still has an audience today I think. MoP, Legion are also decent, but if WoW would have released as it was since Dragonflight, I think it’d be a big flop. What made Warcraft what it is, is this entire Era from Warcraft 3 to WotLK, and I think almost nothing of this still exists, especially after the team during Shadowlands decided to retcon wotlk. I’m not sure if it was arrogance, or lack of respect/awareness back then. Maybe WoW needs a reboot, where Blizzard declares that everything since Shadowlands didn’t happen. They could also reboot it from wotlk, but their current creative department I think would probably just make even worse mistakes given by what I’ve seen since Dragonflight.
I’d say Warcraft as a fantasy franchise has also straight up a quality issue since Shadowlands, and especially in TWW. I think another problem is also, that due to this “democratized” creative development, that Metzen talked about in the video for TWW, Blizzard has to simply face the reality that not even close to everyone in their team is either talented, or trained well enough to design a good experience with a captivating feel and story. They have too many cooks in the Kitchen, and many of them aren’t skilled too. There is a reason why Expedition 33 for example was so successful and efficient in a small team full of talented smart individuals. They clearly had a vision for their game, art, and story and delivered on that. Now Microsoft seems to be having these weird fever dreams of using AI to mass produce games. I don’t think it’ll succeed, because of the same reason, that an AI can never be a good cook, as it can’t taste the food during the cooking, and same goes for stories/games. An AI can’t really have a consistent way of telling how something feels during the production.
In the end, the biggest advantage that Warcraft has over others is that Warcraft has an old, big game, especially including classic wow, that millions of people are subscribed to, so they are riding on the success I think of their prior teams.
40k is cool it just has one major weakness and that is the community.
For every chill fan there are at least two weird guys there
I haven’t felt this in other community as strong as in 40k
I think it’s unfair and wrong to say that the majority of the 40k community were “weird guys” as criticism, especially for a hobby that is very geeky and nerdy with the core grimdark-fantasy of the franchise being weird compared to real life. It’s like going to a book club, where they are discussing these fantasy romance novels for women typically with werewolves, vampires, etc., and then call them weird as a criticism. I don’t think it’s a fair thing to say this. Warhammer 40ks story is weird intrinsically, and the genuine way it is, is the appeal of it I think. The same was true for wow, look at this south park episode for example of World of Warcraft. In Mainstream wow players were seen as odd even 20 years ago, and that didn’t stop it from being one of the biggest pc games in the market. The important thing is that it’s genuine for what it is, and sticks true to itself. I’m a guy, who can enjoy many different things, but authenticity and genuineness are requirements. For example one of my favourite story-driven videogames ever is Metaphor: Refantazio, and it has a completely different type of story than Warhammer or Warcraft, where you are as a player trying to fight for an idealistic utopia in a typical, medieval-style fantasy world, where everyone is really cruel and you try to change this as a player, with the idealistic fantasy being our own real world. But the difference is that it’s genuinely virtuous and the game has built on this premise from the very start without feeling like they were changing something. The game also had the typical ATLUS-style too. I’d say it appeals to the core audience of people, who like JRPGs, and that’s what counts.
I think wow should just stick true to what it was until Legion. It went downhill, when their managers started having what appears to me as moral panic. Most civilized people can differentiate between real life and fantasy generally, and when they suddenly get changed so much, and have to align with so many real life expectations, it ruins the immersion these fictional worlds had before.
Obviously I can only speak for my own observations.
If 40k has just as much or even more chill fans then that are good news but then the chill nerds should maybe make some noise.
When I got into it cause I liked the lore I quickly learned that there are so so many people in that fandom you don’t want.
I mean every fandom has there weirdos and people you rather don’t see anywhere but 40k has loads of there fascist guys that obviously are into 40k because of it’s brutal setting.
Not saying there is anything wrong with the setting. I like the setting it just also attracts a certain crowd.
I’m a big fan of Norse mythology and sadly that topic is also full of fascists.
And another thing I haven’t seen I’m other fandoms as hard as in 40k is how a certain part of the community deals with the lore and changes to it.
Like if you go deep enough into the lore you see that the lore likes to be wonky as heck and what is written today can be false in a few years.
But that certain group has decided for themselves on a specific code in wich Männer changes are allowed to happen and if a change comes that breaks that code they let all hell lose and scream bloddy murder how it’s not ok to change existing lore (except when they like it)
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