Garrosh is more of a stereotype than Sylvanas is though.
Queen Azshara is the absolute definition of toxic femininity.
Forces people to love her, through her magic
Sends her Guards and Warriors to their deaths (Varo’then)
Forces those to duel to the death - almost like they need her permission to be worthy of the Highborne
Decides on a whim when someone needs to be executed.
Azshara and Garrosh are two example of toxic war criminals. Both are prime examples of toxic femininity and masculinity.
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I figure toxic femininity isn’t the same as toxic masculinity.
they’re different, doesn’t have the same requirements.
a woman acting toxically like a man isn’t toxic femininity, just like a man acting toxically like a woman isn’t toxic masculinity.
women and men are different, doesn’t have the same source or expectations.
i suppose that is hypocritical but it is also how it is, we don’t have the same measurement for women as we do men. A rowdy woman will be seen as masculine, while a passive male will be seen as feminine.
it’s not odd to me that we’re different and that we are seen as different, and that we have different expectations on us and that we are treated differently based on all of this.
there may be justice, and should be, regardless.
i mean, it’s not hypocritical that we are inherently different.
but anyway, i think that it’s better for me to not talk to you guys anymore. i don’t see the use and i think that you are trolling this thread.
You and your toxins.
lol
Just take an antidote?
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They should absolutely be judged by the same standards in my view, and I say this as a woman.
What Garrosh was doing by comparison of what Azshara did was nothing. She destroyed the landmass through her own selfish wishes and through a total disrespect for Kalimdor herself, her people, the High Priestess of her Goddess, her Chief Defender…she wanted all them dead so she could have her own world.
It’s no different than Garrosh painting Pandaria red.
Azshara wanted Kalimdor painted in -Highborne Perfection- colours.
Now what Garrosh and Sylvanas did - they are more of the same. Garrosh for Theramore and Pandaria.
Sylvanas for Teldrassil and Kul’Tiras.
Likewise - what Kael’thas and Elisande did…they weren’t “toxic” per say - they were blinded by their own ambitions to save their peoples.
i want to talk about the war in world of warcraft, which includes antidotes as it’s handy in case you get poisoned from an enemy.
They’re not behaving the same, and I say this as a man. Meaning that there’s different kinds of bad behaviours from both. Toxic masculinity is about behaviour seen typically from men, hence it’s a male thing. Women can absolutely do the same but they won’t be seen the same since it’s a typical male behaviour. Like a violent woman will be seen as masculine, and that makes her toxically masculine. But she won’t be seen as that because she’s a woman, instead it’ll be seen as inappropriate in a different way.
Well the two characters in question - they are basically behaving in the same way, only she did it far worse than he.
If she saw what he was doing, she’d laugh and say “child’s play - I destroyed Kalimdor.”
It isn’t fair to judge the two of them on their actions, directly because nobody can say, with honesty and without being sexist towards men, that he did it worse. She was far worse.
But you are right in that it is different.
Both of them breathe “toxic.”
Garrosh’s cinematic with Nazgrim before MoP and being very angry, active and destroying the model boats.
Azshara looking at herself in the 8.2 cinematic, still believing that she is the best thing that was ever born.
Narcissism is a bit of a female thing, despite Narcissus being male.
Thing though, about narcissism, is that Narcissus was truly the most beautiful and that it was a terrible waste when he perished. Not what narcissism is about but I think it’s food for thought.
Anger issues and hasty actions are male though.
Those are pretty much bad traits but not really related to actions. Like destroying Azeroth.
Indirectly they are but not directly.
Thinking highly about oneself, being arrogant, may cause a lot of havoc and destruction with the access to power. So could premature acting. Different behaviour may carry the same result.
Edit: Let’s say it like this then:
An angry cat isn’t interpreted the same as an angry dog. They behave differently and prompts a different reaction. The descriptor, “angry”, doesn’t mean the same because they’re not the same as they behave differently.
A confused professor is not the same as a confused narcomaniac, they’re not treated the same and not interpreted the same.
It’s a coctail, a mix, and the mixing changes the meaning of both components.
We can keep the war alive in pvp, but there’s a reason most of us moved on to 40k as our main geek thing.
Guildwars Is better cooded their boot up exe doesnt take 5-10min to boot their looting system in 40man raids doesn’t take 10min to loot the target I dont know why we don’t fix small stuff like the looting stuff in shadow lands raids had personal loot in random pugs.
Torgasth had auto loot targets and you could rush the game.
Instead they add a another Moody expansion with ''Strong independent body type 2 content i wont thread it due to people hate people like me. But I do care at this point, It makes my eye bleed to see this mom story lines.
Like They can do better content than these small patches just make more content like we had in dragonflight with FACTION wide problems like we all has to thread on stop being like champion be like heroes instead.
blizzard needs to stop the singularity thread and move towards the WE matters not the 1%
I’m tired of this 1% matters expansions.
Like all seasons we only see a small % matters the rests are like down there somewhere move away from Champion content be more HEROES content instead.
pvp this season and previous season is done so much better with the Auto quee Rated Battle grounds.
https://eu.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/matchmaking-is-the-only-real-fix-for-the-m-problem/
blizzard needs to add this to m+
When blizzard tries to secure the people they are losing instead of worrying about the people that are playing we will see changes.
yea… not worth reading.
keep to talking about pvp and how that can be implemented, changed or improved, don’t branch out into your political agenda. it’s tiresome and stupid, no one care about ur body type anxiety. Not with me though, you memer; good riddance.
What would that be then? I haven’t played any recent Warhammer game. But I think that I bought Vermintide 2 to check it out but never did. Worth it? Or is there some other game you’re thinking of?
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I doubt most of went to 40K, saying this in POV, that has the complete opposite issue as wow has, there isnt nothing to root for logically when everyone is an villain or gets an villain bat when some actually good guys rise up and then fanbase gets angry that its not grimdark enough
I do like the original ideas it was supposed to be it has strayed from the path long time ago what it was
She was hardly revered and many condemned her. The whole meme of morally grey.
Many also didn’t appreciate butchering her cunning character to fit the stupid narrative of BfA and SL.
They completly turned even her motivations to mush, she was supposed to be traumatized pragmatic who does anything for her people and even for herself.
Which leads to her going too far manytimes
Also freedom of choosing was always part of her arc heavily and they took it away with bfa and sl story,
And she had loyal fanbase but the haters were more loud
banshee queen?
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