Vengeance for Camp taurajo! Did you think we have forgotten? Did you think we have forgiven?
who cares, there are goth elf gf in next expansion
You should consider the facts. Vulpera aggression forced the hands of the Alliance. That was in a full scale war with the Horde. The Zandalari Trolls also forced the hands of the Alliance when they launched the unprovoked attack on an Alliance navy.
Vulpera picking a fight then ending up with a bloody snout. It is the fault of Vulpera for picking said fight in the first place. Restraint was shown which is why all they had was a bloody snout.
Diplomatic relations between Horde and other denizens of Kalimdo is not the business of the Alliance.
Horde having alternate outposts for their civilians to fall back to. The Taurajo civilians could have gone anywhere they chose to. Taking their chances by going through Quillboar territory. 
Bad choices are still a choice
Player characters have been defeated by Quillboar.
Cutting off Horde supply routes is important. Vulpera aggression meant that the Vulpera started a fight they could not finish.
How can you pick a fight with someone stronger than you then treat them like the bad guy because you lose?
Wikipedia has never been a trusted source for some time now. Feminists have “editathons” where they rewrite things to fit their worldview. Since Assassins Creed Shadows was announced. People are trying to rewrite Japanese history concerning Yasuke the retainer/servant of Oda Nobunaga.
Vulpera put themselves in the line of fire. The more Horde they help the more Alliance soldiers could be harmed. Except the Horde was also targetting Alliance Civilians.
They done so to the Night Elves. The Horde would have done so again once they turned Derek Proudmoore into a blight bomb.
The Alliance does not attack Horde or other civilian targets.
Yet Horde apologist after Horde apologist wants to claim that the Horde are NOT the bad guys?
Wilfully participating in grave robbing to then force the long dead into the curse of Undeath. Just as Arthas the Lich King once done to others.
Horde do not ask themselves: Are we the baddies?
eh… i would like to back to old warfare but that’s right… game is changed
i’m all for new faction war if it has a well created set up and good narrative.
Certainly not bfa. NEVER BFA
Because it is such an extreme measure to take. The Vulpera had no idea a war was even happening. And the Alliance could have done so much else than going straight for the kill. On a caravan people who at the time only took on another job…
The alliance could have negotiated with the vulpera. Dissuaded them? heck they could have even out payed the horde. And hired them instead?
Hell you could have stolen the supplies for your self and left the vulpera be even.
Like there where so many other options the Alliance had at their hands than murder by fire they could have done.
Instead they went straight for bloody murder in the most heinous way. I am not sure I am the apologist here.
From a Vulpera perspective. You are hired to do just another caravan job… A bunch of totems starts to appear out of nowhere… Followed by a sudden raid of warlocks burning you alive.
Not very cash money of you Alliance.
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but is waaaay better than the last interaction df bring us. But i agree good narrative about the faction war finished in pandaria imho.
It doesn’t, and even if it could create problems, at least Alliance would be clean if they not engage in combat before the right time and by that I mean the actual war started by the horde or invasion. There could be so many opportunities if alliance were not these “elitist” guys who for example could not actually help the bloodelven cause and being nice, instead they sent spies. And in other cases if they acted more carefully and not just burned Taurajo or purged Dalaran but first tried to negotiate then the world would be much better. Once again the vanilla to wrath was quite peaceful time, horde did not sought the war and did not want just to obliterate everything in the world, that started only with Garrosh reign. But even in that case, the alliance could actually think through and strike only when it is rightful to do and aim for the Garrosh’s defeat. Even the rest of the horde noticed that Garrosh was doing bad things.
It isn’t. The first horde was led by fel empowered orcs with Gul’dan and the current horde are frostwolf clan successors led by Thrall who were not drinking fel blood. And they have the honor as one of their ideals.
Which is EXACTLY what the Alliance done. The Totems to scare away Vulpera was successful. Minimizing the Vulpera death toll. DESPITE Vulpera aggression.
What is entertaining is that Horde try to judge the Alliance by the Horde’s standards.
Oh how the Horde have forgotten the butchery of Brennadam. Defenceless civilians were the playthings of the Horde. Children look at their parents corpse as he is pinned against the wall by Horde spears.
You see. Without the Alliance. The Horde will continue butchering those that are unable to defend themselves against the Horde. But yet Horde apologists speak of Turaujo this and Turaujo that.
Horde should improve diplomatic relations with the Quillboar. Many Quillboar were genocided by the Horde. So Quillboar vengeance against the Horde…Is still none of the Alliance’s business.
This is nonsensical. The Vulpera that somehow “thrived” in the sands of Voldun. Did NOT notice Alliance scouts - bases - war machine rolling in there?
The Alliance defended ourselves from Vulpera aggression. Vulpera F’ed around and found out.
The Vulpera are more intelligent than you give them credit for.
A global super power hiring you…Is NOT just another job.
Yes there is a war going on.
Organisations in times of war are different.
The Alliance does not start Wars. The Horde does. So there are more pressing matters. Such as ending the 4th war.
Vulpera would not have allowed that. Alliance are not theives. The Vulpera chose to turn themselves into legitimate military targets and or threats to be neutralised.
They received the Alliance’s mercy by the Alliance minimising Vulpera death toll. The Vulpera could have ended up like the Zandalari Troll’s.
Do you think Vulpera had smartphones or something? Like its almost like you talk in the belief that everybody in Vol’dun had checked the news and gotten a ‘‘War is happening’’ Update on their phones or something.
Its almost admirable your ability to justify warcrimes. Its almost like you believe the exiles. Of Vol’dun had any idea of the outside world.
It is pretty much implied in the lore that the Exiles of vol’dun are sent there too die. It wouldn’t be much of a punishment to be exiled to the dunes. If everybody could just escape.
That is… not…negotiation? How is that in anyway a negotiation? You didn’t approach the Vulpera… You tried to scare them away with tiki totems and burned them alive later.
And its incredible how your justifying this as noble in any way shape or form and even call it negotiations later is astounding.
No your murderers… Even worse your murderers who murder by burning people alive. And call it negotiations later.
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This is the problem with people that think like this. Just wait until another Burning of Telldrassil? Just wait for Sylvannas to succesfully use Derek Proudmoore as a suicide bomb full of blight? killing defenceless civilians?
Just wait until the Horde butcher another village / city of defenceless civilians like they done to Brennadam?
How many people will your apathy cause? How many will the Horde eradicate before one finally takes action?
The Alliance can not / should not be reactionary.
So the Alliance should be restrained and handcuffed wile the Horde is free to do whatever they want?
You have too much faith in the Horde.
Time and time again whether they “notice” or not they choose to do nothing.
The graverobbing of Derek Proudmoore. Horde was fully complicit.
The attempt to execute Baine Bloodhoof. Horde was fully complicit.
Forsaken watching what was done to them by the Lich King now happen to Derek Proudmoore.
Clearly one sided is morally worse.
Eitrigg I believe is Blackrock clan. Eitrigg smashed Alexstrazas eggs then smeared her face with the remains of the unhatched eggling.
Horde speak of Honour but are absent of Honour.
How would they communicate with each other? Warlocks are capable of portals. Vulpera have Mages and Warlocks.
It is not a Warcrime though. Vulpera wanted a fight…Even when the Alliance did not. Even when the Alliance actively tried to save the Vulpera. But the Vulpera just chose to put themselves in the way of the Alliance.
There was no Vulpera that was willing to negotiate. Just attacked the Alliance for daring to mess with Vulpera caravans.
No justification needed. Horde started a war. Vulpera did not encounter Alliance diplomats. They encountered Alliance soldiers. The Alliance had a war to win. Vulpera turned themselves into casualties of war.
Don’t start nothing it won’t be nothing. Vulpera could have CHOSEN to reject the Horde’s offer. Vulpera picked a fight they could not handle or finish.
As was said above alliance are just pretending they are good guys, but their actions show different reality. They calling scaring foxes with totems and burning them alive later “negotiations”, purge of dalaran rightful retaliation for stealing divine bell and bombing theramore. They always want to look “good” without recognizing bad things their done, so my conclusion for now seems to be horde is actually better
The alliance should not necessarily act like being handcuffed, but at first to focus on defending their own territories. As long as horde actions don’t affect the alliance territories they should not engage and just bolster the defences and progress in talks. Only if horde does something which threatens the whole world, they can start a war, but first they should try to find the root cause via negotiations and then everyone who will want to save the world will willingly join the alliance efforts. But no, instead alliance tries to strike horde everytime proactively without proper thinking, like “oh no they bombed theramore, let’s kill some blood elves because they gave the recipe to craft the bomb”, when instead they could understand who was the actual cause of this tragedy (Garrosh, not the Sunreavers)
yet this tolorance lead to multiple wars, who wre all stared by horde…
liek the horde tryd multiple times…by fore…oh wait…we convenintly forget taht…7
to be fair, after their failed coup and they were invited by sylvanas
oh yea and the champion never tolded it…
or mention teh azerith… 
well…no…
war was declared in wotlk after wrathgare, and tbf this time it was varian, but garodh ealider seekd for blood too, like at the meeteing in dalaran, the afent toumamet in ice crown or in grizzly hill, and icecrone, attacking teh alliance first
no…but messangers, or merchants who can hear from the horde and the war…
i mean ther was a large tarde hub…in the middle of the zone
There are in the Vol’dun campaign. No Vulpera mages and warlocks… The only class representation Vulpera have are Kiro as a shaman. And Nisha as a warrior/rogue.
It is heavily implied that the Vulpera are for the most part civilian scavengers.
Either way thats besides the point…
Vol’dun is a wast -wast- desert in the lore. the settlements are far and wide inbetween. It’s not like the whole desert got a facebook update the war had reached the dunes. Or that a fourth war had even begun in the world at large. And from the Vulpera perspective. The war hit them from the blindside.
Again our perspectives differs -wastly- From the Vulpera perspective they took on just another caravan job. And again the Alliance could have out payed the horde. Approached them with proper negotiations. They could have siezed the horde supplies.
Literally the alliance could have done so much else differently than going straight for the kill.
But we wont agree on this.
No no thats not even true according too what you your self stated above. You started your ‘‘negotiations’’ by placing totems in the caravan’s path to try and scare them.
That didn’t work so you raided them with fire warlocks instead. There is no way you can say the Vulpera attacked you first in this sense when you where the once placing totems too begin with. There where no negotiations.
You can’t call it Vulpera aggression because they didn’t get scared by a bunch of totems.
The Alliance could have out bid the horde. And hired the Vulpera for them selves. They could have siezed the war supplies of the Horde off the Vulpera. They had so many other option.
And from a vulpera perspective and playing the Horde campaign. It is heavily implied the Vulpera had no idea a war was happening until they got attacked by the Alliance.
From their perspective thats when the war reached the Dunes.
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Examples? I don’t remember any major wars in vanilla through wrath, that was the era of Thrall horde
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You just assume they did for the sake of arguing with me or something? there is like no dialouge or quest about this happening at all. The Horde champion is helping the Vulpera with the Sethrak. And the horde champion him self isn’t even concerned with the Alliance or has an idea about the the 7th legion in the zone.
The Alliance arrived with one single ship in the middle of nowhere desert shores.
And they weren’t exactly trying to bring the dunes a facebook update either.
Infact they make great effort to hit the dunes as hard and fast as possible before they are discovered.
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I remember forsaken doing some shady stuff to the humans in silverpine and hillsbrad
But yeah to be fair both factions complicit in warcrimes.
The problem here with alliance is, that they not always go into symmetric response to the horde’s actions and instead just decide to kill some civilians like in Taurajo by burning. It is like ganking situation: one guy playing low level alliance character was ganked by horde many times, so later he leveled or boosted other character to max level and started ganking low level horde in barrens as a “response”.
Like i know the horde has committed a lot bad and evil.
But Alliance fanboys are something else. They cannot admit being the bad guy in a single instance ever. Like they would literally explode if they where the villains just once.
What the hell is this hardcore denial. Out of this world.
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I kinda would also like if the alliance were always good guys, but Actual good guys and not pretending being one. So if they actually would be clean and did not commit any crime throughout the history, like everywhere they chose different path of action, then I would love such alliance. I really would like to see alliance as US being peacekeepers of the world and trying always to seek justice and fairness. But instead blizzard made the asymmetric warfares for both sides, so both factions are complicit in crimes, and who knows what faction is actually better
No this is an easy answer, The Alliance is better in every single way.
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