There is a difference for sure. But to be fair, the expedition to the Dragon Isles was more or less a vacation. There was no real threat until after we set foot there. While TBC started with the armies of hell invading… although i guess demons are not from hell anymore. Funny that.
I’ve been literally saying that since vanilla. Belves and the Forsaken should have been a third faction. Because both were “forsaken” and suffered through the same disaster (the Scourge). And a lot of the forsakens population are elves, they are just not represented because Blizzard didn’t want to make 2 skeleton models.
Hell, a Belf (technically a Helf) was the Forsakens leader for… how long? 16 years? Talking about Sylvanas of course.
Night elves never made sense as an Alliance race either. Hell, they felt more like a Horde race. But today that obviously wouldn’t work.
Well… I started playing Warcraft 2. I hadn’t played the first one because in that time I was interested in different types of games. Anyway… When I started playing WoW 18 years ago, I was a different person then I am now. I’ve had my edgy years, the years where I only wore black and such… Just as I was a different type of gamer back then.
But I’ve developed as a person. I now appreciate different aspects of WoW than I used to.
Death Knights, Warlocks (no place for them in the Shamanistic Horde and the Alliance): exclusive to the Forsaken/Blood Elves.
Shamans: exclusive to the Horde.
Mages: exclusive to the Alliance and Forsaken/Blood Elves.
Night Elves have their own culture.
The only race I see that could possibly, work well with them are the Nightborne.
The Alliance would have besides, Humans, Dwarves and Gnomes: Draenei and lightforge, since they are connected to the Naaru.
Worgen, Kul-Tyrans and the Mechagnomes, are, a no brainer.
Forsaken and Blood Elves could be the faction that inherited the former lands of the first Alliance.
Void Elves never made sense.
Horde, besides Orcs, Tauren and Darkspear Trolls would get: Mag’Har Orcs, Highmountain Tauren, Vulpera and perhaps Pandaren. Since the first one that showed in Warcraft 3, interacted with Rexxar.
Goblins due to their mercenary nature, would be a neutral race.
The Zandalari, wouldn’t need allies.
There could be more. But that’s all I came up with, for the moment.
Lol. No thank you.
And just to be clear: The devs have changed as well, as is evident from DF.
If anyone should ‘find another franchise’ it’s the edgelord people.
But hey… I’m sure there will be ‘edgy’ stuff again in the future. And I’m fine with that, just as long as it’s not ALL they do and not for many years again. Changing it around a bit is good. That’s why I appreciate DF.
Where did I say I hate ‘where it originally came from’?
Please show me where I said that.
Because I don’t. I just think it’s a breath of fresh air, certainly after the gloomy, depressing edgelord atmosphere that was Shadowlands.
And just because I feel that way, I’m ‘standing in the way of it becoming succeful again’?
Come on now…
I doubt that, honestly.
Well, if you think of me that way, so be it. Doesn’t mean it’s true in the slightest.
Honestly; I couldn’t care less what you think about me, because I think that you come off as hostile and bitter.
That’s all Shadowlands’ doing. That and the horrible controversy that came out of Blizzard at the same time. It broke many people’s spirit and they gave up on WoW.
I’ve never even considered one to refer to emo-edgy mess. I found WoW just to be quite metal. (and we all know what true metalists think about the emo genre)
Yeah you’d doubt anything that would be displeasing to your narrative, but trust me, there are entire discords out there making up their own Warcraft lore because they’re sick and tired of the way Blizzard has handled theirs in recent years.
I’m only hostile and bitter to people who are hostile and bitter. Saying you’re happy that the game changed and that everyone who liked the foundation of the game can just go away and quit the game is quite a hostile way to say things.
You should check the comments, people are making fun of it.
What controversy are you talking about? The alleged controversy that was just used as a smoke screen for the insane cult that was brewing within Blizzard to take power? I’m very glad a lot of those people I just mentioned have left the company in the last year.
I dislike metal. Sorry.
I’ve always been mostly an alternative rock person.
But that quote is not what I asked you to quote me on.
That quote referred to Shadowlands. So if that wasn’t clear; it should be now.
Yeah, that’s a nice way of ripping what I said completely out of context (not to mention misunderstanding what I said in the first place, as I said above).
Remember; you told me to go away first. So… Stop lying. You treat anyone who disagrees with you, with hostility and bitterness.
Woooow. Ok, if that’s something you truly believe, we are done talking. That is some horrible conspiracy level nonsense right there and very disrespectful towards the victims.
Well if you hate metal then I don’t know what peaked your interest with Warcraft, the franchise was made by a bunch of DnD Nerds into Metal.
I was only asking you what got you into this franchise in the first place, and to what you replied it seems like you either grew disinterested in Warcraft and are happy it underwent this underwhelming exchange.
It’s not even a conspiracy, the victims aren’t know and none of the allegations went further than allegatiors. Unless you can correct me and quote me a link to where actual evidence was met instead of lockerroom gossip and talk.
But it’s not really a conspiracy to point out the sudden shift within the company when it was all visible on social media, lol.
Most of the OTHER stuff? The humour. The style/design. The setting. Etc.
It’s not as if the game featured metal, except for that one horrible song you linked.
Telling someone to get lost because they are responsible for making this game fail is NOT ‘just asking’ something.
And again; what you seem to understand from my replies is wrong.
I am indeed glad with these changes… Because I had a horrible experience in Shadowlands. And this is a cool and fun expansion imo. It’s fine if you disagree; but don’t blame me or tell me to leave. I just like what they did, that’s literally all.
I won’t be responding to your last bit except for: It’s completely and utterly disrespectful that you’re claiming these things.
You mean that horrible song that was made up by a band made of Blizzard employees and where the artist of the majority of the franchise is the lead singer?
Can you elaborate then?
I never told you to get lost, I just told you to perhaps look to greener pastures that would fit your description more.
You literally said “I’ve had my time, but I changed, now I’m happy the game is going to do that too!”.
No way.
You seem to understand that I like Shadowlands aswell, Shadowlands was awful.
I wish the game went back to the setting of Warcraft, and for it to have the same vibes as the vanilla and the first two expansions.
I did not even play them at the time, I experienced them with Classic and the difference between that and now is so noticeable.
You don’t have to, I understand it might be controversial to you but I’m sick and tired of people beating that dead horse.
I’m waiting for the upcoming twist that will create divide between Horde and Alliance again as a major theme of the game. Players aka champions could form their own “faction” that fights against the raid bosses, but Alliance and Horde would focus on reclaiming Eastern Kingdoms for the Alliance and Kalimdor for the Horde. Sprinkle that with world revamp and it’d be great. The main characters in the story having coffee meetings feels bland. Instead of creating two narratives they took lazy route and made this “friend group of important lore characters”.
War Mode doesn’t make sense in the lore, hostile cities doesn’t make sense in the lore yabadiyabada. Keep the cross-faction playing and all that flair for gameplay reasons, but Make Azeroth Great Again with the faction war.
If my favorite musician starts making paintings and I hate those paintings, it doesn’t mean I suddenly hate their music as well.
I just did, didn’t I?
“The humour. The style/design. The setting. Etc.”
The fact that it was an RTS, which I liked back then (I don’t really anymore).
And when WoW was announced I was very excited. Because my interest had switched over to MMORPGs and so yeah… Playing around in that world seemed awesome.
And it was. For a while. Until I stopped raiding at the end of vanilla and TBC was boring and wotlk was mostly boring. So I quit for a while. And I came back a few years later.
And WoW now had much more to do for non-raiders and I loved that. Been playing the game since, with only short breaks; one in BfA and one in Shadowlands.
But the game IS to my liking, so why would I look to greener pastures?
It’s people like you who are unhappy with it? Right?
So why should I look for something else? That doesn’t make sense.
Vibe, sure. But that’s basically all.
Gameplay, no. If I look back now at those days; no I don’t want the game to be like that anymore. Not in the slightest. The game changed for the better as far as I’m concerned (from a gameplay/activity perspective).
Well I did experience them for real. And I hate Classic.
So no; I don’t want this version of WoW to be like that.
It happened and it changed quite a few people’s view of Blizzard; it was a bad thing upon a bad thing upon a bad thing. And we’re still feeling the damage that did to the playerbase.
Most of the early stuff in Warcraft had a very metal like vibe to it.
Norse paganism is very popular within the metal community and guess what most of the titan stuff is based upon for example.
Yeah but the humour at that time has vastly changed and some got straight out removed for being offensive. Look at King Ymiron in Legion who had his voice line removed because he was bleeping words that were already censored.
I don’t find any of that humor in Dragonflight anymore, it’s all sterile and bland humour.
I’m interested what do you do if you are not a fan of PvE or PvP content.
I like playing solo sometimes but you can only do so much.
Yeah, it worked out for you that the new Blizzard has changed the game for your liking, but it has left a lot of old fans into the dust.
I don’t understand, because professions at that time were a lot more useful and promoted solo play, unless you had to get certain mats from doing a dungeon or a raid, but you could buy those with money.
Not to mention that solo play awarded powerful enchantments and profession recipes too, which is not a thing anymore, not to mention throwing out an epic aswell.
You could actually get better gear in the old WoW playing solo than now where you’re capped at a certain ilvl.
I don’t know, I think it’s because Blizzard has been putting out a lot of bad products is the reason why so many people hooked off. Besides Twitter and Reddit, no one seemed to care much about the allegations that were going on at that time, besides poking fun at them.
devs post WotLK don’t understand that you need an “essence” for your game first as a foundation, then the humour/miscellaneous additives come afterwards
Dragonflight has no substance, it’s a Disney nightmare, hollow environment, vacuous and loses its “flavour” rapidly
I never noticed that tbh. One sees what one wants to see, I guess.
There’s none of that in early Warcraft. That’s WoW, you’re talking about.
Early Warcraft was funny little orcs and humans fighting each other with funny animations and funny sounds.
True.
Fair enough. But humour is subjective. So you can’t make a catch-all statement about it.
World content has been my main go-to content for the last 4 expansions.
I do some dungeons. I do LFR. A tiny bit of PvP if there’s a reward I want.
And then there’s all the stuff they’ve been trying out for the last few expansions; I’ve done all of that to some degree (talking about the Garrison, class halls, artifact weapons, island expeditions, heart of azeroth, mage tower, warfronts, etc).
But yes… I’m predominately a solo player.
Yeah, so maybe they should look for greener pastures? That was my point.
But let me ask you a question: What exactly about the game don’t you like at the moment?
In Legion you could, yes. And I loved that. I miss titanforging.
In BfA you could, but it was severely limited.
Shadowlands it was just as capped as it is now.
But it’s not even about the ilvl cap. It’s about progression.
I love progression. Working towards something.
And yes; DF does lack that, but there’s other things that still make it worth playing for me. And with the fast patch cadence that they’ve announced, I’m feeling positive that there will be stuff to do most of the time for a player like myself.
Oh for sure that’s part of it too. Blizzard hit this ‘perfect negative storm’ in Shadowlands with bad products AND bad press.
Even looking at it from a meta angle, the faction war is just boring. I’ve said it multiple times already, if there can be no winner and everything returns to status quo after the fact, then the whole story was for nothing.
Because Horde and Alliance are both player factions, there can by definition be no winner. And in every faction war themed expansion I feel like there are only losers, as both sides suffer losses but cannot ever get revenge or true redemption beyond “expansion’s over, let’s just forget all of this ever happened”.
But even if we are looking at vanilla, the factions have not been at war. There have been subfactions within both Horde and Alliance that had minor skirmishes, but officially there was no war. Also, the Horde was hardly a massive military force at the time. They were hardly scraping by, with only few Orcs, Tauren and Trolls remaining from the WC3 era. The Horde was not in a good place, and certainly not fit to wage a full scale war. It wasn’t before Cataclysm, when Blizzard’s writers magicked a massive fighting force for the Horde into place, that an open faction war broke out. Canonically, the Horde was the underdog until then.
I know, it was just an example to state how much of these early Warcraft devs were massive metal fans and DnD nerds.
But in TBC and WotLK you can actually craft some very powerful gear by just doing professions, buying the materials, or quest chains in the open world.
You even got epics from reaching exalted with certain factions.
How isn’t that a better thing than to just hope your item gets reforged?
I’ve already stated my reason. I love the Warcraft lore and vibe of old, and one of the reasons why I was excited for Shadowlands was because we could get a return of old characters.
I find Dragonflight to have nothing of that, not to mention that I find it very, very childish. The voice acting for the majority is bad, too much implications of the newer stuff, I had to roll my eyes so far up my head when one of the red dragons turned into a vulpera.
I find it funny Dragons went from having a vision to infiltrate mortail affairs to it being a metaphor for some self identity. It’s just lame. It’s like the story is being made with that in mind. It’s not cool, it’s not interesting, it’s just sterile, bland, unprovoking.
I miss the times when WoW would give me goosebumps. I haven’t had those moments in a long time.
In wars there are no winners… I thought that was pretty clear…
Not to mention that it doesn’t even have to be a war, but skirmishes.
Both sides should “win” and “lose”, it can be perfectly written.
See one of the main interests of new expansions was to see how faction stuff was going to be written. On Dragonflight the first thing you do is introduce yourself to the opposite faction
