Why did Sylvanas burn Teldrassil? Plothole

This is all covered inA Good War but I’ll give you the gist of it.

Genn Greymane’s attack on the Forsaken fleet in Stormheim has made the entire Horde justifiably paranoid when they found out that Greymane wasn’t punished for it. This especially worried Sylvanas and Saurfang.

The idea is that even if Anduin is willing to let the peace last if Greymane remains as unchecked as he is now then he will continue to push the Alliance to war.

The biggest problem though is that Orgrimmar is very vulnerable in the wake of the Legion invasion. Saurfang points out that all the Alliance has to do is draw the remainder of the Horde’s navy away and then they can land troops in Durotar and Azshara and then they could just starve Orgrimmar out. Saurfang tells Sylvanas that if that ever comes to pass he will order everyone to charge out of the gates to their deaths because it would be preferable to slowly starving to death. To which Sylvanas replies that it’s her job as Warchief to prevent that.

Saurfang initially thinks any offensive against the Alliance was impossible without terrible consequences but then Sylvanas points out that in the wake of the Legion invasion the Alliance is spread thin and can’t mobilize their forces to respond like they could have before. So the Horde could capture Teldrassil and throw the Alliance into a political crisis that will shatter them allowing the Horde to pick off the Alliance one by one securing favorable peace treaties that will leave the Alliance races pacified for centuries.

Saurfang gives this plan two thumbs up and Sylvanas tasks him with planning the entire campaign. She knows that even though she won over the majority of the Horde populace for her valiant efforts during the Legion invasion, she is still mistrusted by a large portion of the Horde and she feels that they wouldn’t trust her to run an honorable campaign.

Saurfang’s plan is to blitz all the way up to Teldrassil and capture it before Anduin can send reinforcements. Once the tree is under Horde occupation the Alliance would be afraid to besiege it because they might hit the civilians by accident and to get the Night Elves to cooperate he will send Sylvanas to hunt down Malfurion or Tyrande. Whoever is present at the time. Those two are borderline gods. There would be no greater hit to Night Elf morale than see their god-like champion fall to the Horde.

This strategy works for the most part. There was a hiccup when Malfurion raises a wall of wisps to block the Horde advance. Sylvanas managed to get some Horde troops through but the process is extremely painful and straining so she couldn’t do it often. Saurfang gets around this by going around through Felwood to into Darkshore and lighting the forest on fire. It distracts the wisps and lets the Horde army come through.

Everything from that point forward goes smoothly until Malfurion traps Sylvanas and Saurfang intervenes and throws his axe into Malfurion’s back. Which he considered dishonorable. Sylvanas assures him it was fine and allows him to have the honor of taking Malfurions head and she leaves to prepare for take the tree.

Instead of cutting off Malfurion’s head he allows Tyrande to take him to Stormwind. When he reports this to Sylvanas she is furious. The whole point of this invasion was to shatter the Alliance but Malfurion’s survival will be interpreted as a miracle of Elune and the Alliance will be rallied around that miracle. Which will put the Horde in a position like the last war under Garrosh where the Horde and Alliance were trapped in an eternal conflict no one could win.

They continue to move to capture Teldrassil but Sylvanas stops to talk to Captain Summermoon. During this conversation Sylvanas figures out a solution to the problem Saurfang created. She decides this will have to be the final war between the Alliance and Horde. This won’t be a war to last centuries because she will completely annihilate the Alliance. This is how she will save future generations from an endless conflict that Saurfang caused.

So Sylvanas orders the tree to be set aflame. There will be no one seeing this day as a miracle if the Night Elf people are decimated.

Saurfang is furious at first but then Sylvanas points out that everything up until this point was by his design. He failed to inflict the most important blow that his entire plan hinged on. By sparing Malfurion he forced her hand. She needed to find away not to damn the Horde to an eternal conflict because of his failure.

It’s at this point that Saurfang wants to kill her personally. But he doesn’t because he knows she’s right she simply saw the truth before he did. -by [Zezin96](https://www.reddit.com/user/Zezin96/)

now before that the horde actions were based of orc culture ; fight what wants to fight

when horde burned teldrassil they broke the “orc code” to scare off and dismantle the enemy

it will grow back over time :stuck_out_tongue:

Which I always thought made perfectly good sense. However, with the whole Jailer thing… makes absolutely none.

Im pretty sure we will have new tree , and zone for night elves. Just wait!

To start a war.
Which usually results in many casualties; aka more souls for the Maw.

Not genocide. If it was then anyone who has lost a battle can claim genocide.

A character is calling it genocide as far as I know.

First, the writers of this game are incompetent, lurching from one ‘awesome’ setpiece to the next without bothering to put in the requisite leg work for the narrative to have a punch. So when we discuss plotholes, what we are really doing is trying to find an answer that satisfactorily explains events that on the surface appear contradictory because in many cases they are. We are also showing we care more about the lore than the actual writers as we have to clean up their mess to make the story work.

So, knowing everything we know now we have to assume that she knew, via the Jailer, that Elune would send the souls of the dead Night Elves to the Shadowlands for the sake of her sister where they would be claimed by the maw.

Just as Elune felt the Winter Queen’s cries for help, so must the Jailer. He also correctly wagered what Elune would do when the tree was burned and was in fact counting on it, as otherwise the Night Elves would become wisps and not go to the maw. After all, a mass of souls whom the arbiter would almost definitely send to Ardenweald under normal circumstances because of their nature is somewhat predicatable.

As for Sylvanas ‘killing hope’ the entire plot only makes sense if she was planning to burn the tree from the moment she announced her intent to invade. Talk of conquering the tree merely a ploy to get the Horde to go along without protest, and the performance on the shore of Darkshore merely to show it was an example of her cruel, capricious and spiteful nature rather than as part of the overarching plan it actually was.

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The writers outright stated in the short-novel Elegy that Sylvanas Windrunner committed genocide.

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I did not see that, could you show me exactly where the writer says that? Not using a character.

But it still does not make it genocide. Sylvanas wasn’t trying to wipe out nelfs or nelf culture. She was going after a legit military target. Seriously I’ve hear the same crap with Garrosh.

"The World Tree was more than a city. It was an entire land, home to countless innocents.
How many night elves were elsewhere in Azeroth? Far too few. Now, they were all who remained
of their people.
Sylvanas Windrunner had committed genocide."

This is the words from the narrator, page 88

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That’s a song sung by a character if I remember right. And even if the writers would call it genocide it would still have to fill the criteria of actual genocide to be genocide which it does not.

Maybe they need the connection to the tree to be wisps, and as it’s burnt down they can’t?

Not really, it’s by narrator.

Also characters in the book call it a genocide.

They could call it a sexy party for all I care, it still wouldn’t be one. Teldrassil was a massacre but not genocide.

Like I said, it’s Garrosh all over, when they called him a racist, but the fact was he only accepted those who he deemed worthy by their efforts to support and promote his vision of the Horde.

You got to be joking… burning Teldrassil meant burning civillians too, what military are you talking about?

There was even a Gilnean child inside the temple with the injured people.

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Teldrassil was a legitimate military target. If you want to know how it’s done look at what the Forsaken did to their civilians when the Alliance armies started heading for the Undercity.

It really wasn’t. It was one of the only Night elf areas not invaded by the Horde.

  • Ashenvale
  • Feralas
  • Stonetalon mountains
  • Azshara (which Tyrande gave to the Horde, for peace)
  • Darkshore (heavily gassed, damaged)
  • Teldrassil
    I mean the list goes on and on.

Burning Teldrassil was the last straw, it was an act of genocide caused by not only Sylvanas, but previous Warchiefs like Garrosh as well.

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:100: exactly

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