Changes = unintended consequences. Therefore keeping changes at a bare minimum = minimum amount of negative unintended consequences.
I have been very clear in my position. In fact, I have provided solutions and names. The 2 of 3 of you that keep dragging the thread only want MoS, and spending energy here instead of making things happen.
We are very far from each other on this - There is a reason some of us wanted Classic back and have on top of it defended Era all these years. So we don’t have to deal with the sh*tshow WoW has become.
And if you want changes, go to SoD or anniversary? I don’t understand what part of keeping Era as a snapshot of the past you guys do not understand.
Changes = unintended consequences. Therefore keeping changes at a bare minimum = minimum amount of negative unintended consequences.
Changes = unintended and intended consequences. Don’t forget about it
I have been very clear in my position.
If you have really been that clear then it must be my lack of intelligence. Please explain me, why did you ask multiple times about how the changes would help Horde if that is not what you’re advocating for?
We are very far from each other on this - There is a reason some of us wanted Classic back and have on top of it defended Era all these years. So we don’t have to deal with the sh*tshow WoW has become.
You seem to be conflating design with coding—the process of translating the design into binary. These are distinct aspects of game development and should not be confused.
Why choose a more complicated fix when there’s an easier one possible? I’m not Amish in real life, and I don’t really think adopting that mindset online would be practical either. Furthermore, the simpler option is not only far more stable but also easier to maintain.
The team running classic have proven themselves to be hapless at this point. When you posted about this thread in the gdkp discord we thought it was a clown move; you got push back there from well established players who have zero problems with the buff. Skill issue.
This is a you problem, 6 rends went out on the 23rd December, we are in holidays too. If that’s not enough for you, then no wonder you cant do anything with out the buff. Ask Orca in your guild when he returns from his break about cross faction organisation, along with Harkie and Kaak, as he is one of the main voices when it comes to the server. I bet you won’t though, as all that wouldn’t be convenient enough for you.
You whiney warriors here definitely were not playing before SoM ended, you have no experience of how it used to be on the server and the effective systems in place to get the buffs you want. I work all week, and can get all the buffs I need. I have two accounts and leveled a 60 MC priest, and it was fun. I never get griefed and its easy to get the buffs. A lot of ppl have two accounts these days, maybe its too much for your pockets though to be fair.
It’s a skill issue if I ever saw one, and man some of you are so disingenuous it’s comedy. Oh, and the new PVP system was frowned upon when it started as we all knew everyone would spam AV for easy gear, and they did.
Get a grip warriors, the server is in a slow time due to many factors and your whining that you can’t get that particular buff is so weak and self inflicted I can hardly believe it.
You came to era for a reason (probably as tourists after SoM ended it looks like) so what you get is what you get, there have been too many changes for a so-called museum piece but that doesn’t mean there should be more, just have some integrity and go play the other versions if you want, they are there for you.
When you posted about this thread in the gdkp discord we thought it was a clown move; you got push back there from well established players who have zero problems with the buff. Skill issue.
I received a few dismissive comments from just two individuals, but overwhelmingly, I received a flood of thanks and appreciation. I can see that if reality doesn’t align with your expectations, then it’s reality that needs to adjust, not the other way around. Nice try, though!
Oh right! And what’s the basis for those comments about ‘we thought’ and ‘you got pushed back’? Two ‘clown’ reactions on a server with 600+ players? You really have some solid numbers to back up those statements, “pal”
Oh no no no, we were throwing some shapes and forms in other places too, discord etc, and a guild chat to boot! Plenty of forms being thrown about there. You just said yourself that discord wasn’t the only place all the action was happening after all.
You all fail to address all the time why don’t you go to experimental SoD and Anniversary and include your changes there. There are servers for which the Devs are open to changes - yet you keep on dragging the argument further and further to impose your will on Era.
And you also seem to have an issue understanding that Era = museum server. Museum server means no changes, and should not be confused with “I want to introduce convenience in the game.”
As Peace posts as well, the solution is an easy one. If anything, instead of praising Era for giving you the chance to play the Warrior class in its highest form (thanks to ERA), you guys are here talking about “verge of collapse” and “Rend killing Era” doing more harm than good.
You all fail to address all the time why don’t you go to experimental SoD and Anniversary and include your changes there.
What exactly are we failing to address? Your oversimplified and clearly false dichotomy? It was an unhelpful point to make in the first place, and yet you continue to insist on a response to it. If you want an answer to it then google false dichotomy and why it’s meritless.
Give anyone the same type of car (without any added extras). Only then you can see who is the best driver. Not the one with the maxed out technical improvements.
It is also pretty unhelpful to state that Rend is killing Era and the population is on the verge of collapse,. “Dark clouds”, a “chain reaction of players leaving” as you put it.
Your solution (the three of you that keep arguing) is to implement your recommendations or what? Your predictions will come to fruition? That also sounds like a big *ss false dichotomy to me, when there is an easy community fix to it.
I admit that I exaggerated in the flowery language in the first post. However I never wanted you to reason with it nor I considered it to be an actual argument and never asked you to explain yourself “Why do you want Era to go extinct?”.
Anyway, I’m glad we’ve clarified that your previous question can now be considered void.
I think you play wrong game then. Feel sorry for you. But actually not, there is thoussends games you can play but yuo come to wow and ask for changes to make it like other 1000 pay to win games. What exactly reasong for? To play pay to win dopaminte chase that you could play elsewhere, including other versions of wow like retail or classic fresh?
You completely notice wrong. You keep sugesting that I try to justify something feels completly unrelated.
No mate its pretty simple, numbers and statistics are not about feelings. Its just a fact that warriors are overplayed, specially in PVE, even more on Alliance side and specially because dopamine parsers, the guy posting above you actually justified it while trying that fact to be a norm.
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Is questionable only because it fits your original post narative. Including fake facts you tried project like that Era is no more thrilling and only you parsing dopamine chasers are playing here and long time supporters. What was never truth.
You just bend realinty to get results you want. No matter what.
Dont need to cost players a simple penny or silver. Because simple Alliance doesnt need MOS nor Rend yet to pay for it.
We prolly just need redirect dopamine addicts to real comptetitive games like retail or classic fresh where parsing means something actually at the time being.
Any argue for MOS and around is just empty soap to make it sensable. In first play it doesnt make sense to bend game mechanics in advantage of sweat lords who actually detered causal players from raiding. Btw what exactly happend to retail with iLvl checks, gear check, achievement checks. And then Blizzard had to introduce LFG instant pug raid group tool to fix fiasco of elitits like behaviour.
Hi, current raid clear times and DPS metrics show a measurable differnce with log data that demonstrates the impact on raid performance. Can you provide data supporting that it’s not needed?
Dopamine addics is an ad hominem argument that doesn’t address the actual issue, do you mean that these people should change game? What specific metrics are you using to categorize players?
Might of Stormwind was already implemented once, people can get Rend today. It’s the same buff, can you explain how this “bends” existing mechanics? Why do you compare with retail? Most ppl that play classic does that because they like it more than retail. It’s two different game versions with different design philosophies and not directly comparable due to fundamental system differences. What specific data supports this correlation of yours?
And finally, I suggest we focus on measurable impacts rather than subjective characterizations. Do you have any data at all supporting your position?
