Please don't force us to play ladder to be able to drop/place specific items/runewords

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For me it always has been a bad idea, that you’re forced to play ladder to be able to enjoy the whole game.

For me and many other people, playing Diablo 2 is about character development over time, and not to rush as fast as possible your character, to be able to get all needed items to clear the content.

Here is a poll about ladder and what people prefer, which clearly shows, that the absolut majoiry of people want to keep the ability to drop/place ALL items, “ladder specific” too, in non-ladder mode.

Playing ladder means, you have to restart from 0, which denies all progress you’ve done and there is not a single reason, why people get forced to play ladder, to be able to get the whole content of the game.
Everyone should be able to decide for themselves, if they want to start from scatch or not.

I for myself, do want the opportunity to log into Diablo 2 whenever I want to play along with my 2 year old character, farming and slowly building up my characters with all gear they need and with all items/rune words the game contains, without being in a hazzle.

But yet again, you want to force us to delete our precious characters we’ve spend so many hours with (because no space left too) and start complete over from zero, to be able to place all rune words and drop all items the game contains.

Blizzard, please reconsider this decision, especially because it’s not a minority of Diablo 2 audiance which asks for “all content in non-ladder”, but the absolute majority of players.

People who dont want to start over shouldn’t have to. People who want fresh economy and ranks get theirs too. Every1 wins. No debate

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That’s why I started playing singles. Additional reasons include limited space for items and server problems. I’m an old player and never played singles. So far I have also played multi with d2r but after announcing this decision I am fed up with multi.

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Yea, I sadly will stop playing D2R when they force us to this slaugther.

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Srsly, u only have to wait 4 months, till the ladder is over, and you have the same items/rw.

Thats such a big deal for you?
The “new” runewords coming up with ladder are meant to be a reward, for starting over again. It always was a little motivation, even in the seasons in D3. Nothing wrong with that system.

No one forces you to play ladder.

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Just sit down, you are embarrassing yourself at this point.

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Dude…where does this entitlement come from? You can’t wait 4months until ladder is over? You are just like those guys who want Enigma nerfed because they don’t have one. So if they can’t have it…no one should.
I for one, will not play ladder because I don’t have enough time to grind that much in 4 months, but I can wait until ladder is over to get access to the new rune words. It’s not like they will be a secret, so until ladder is finished I can just farm the runes and the necessary bases, and when those runewords come to normal at the end of ladder I will make them than.

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Has Blizzard already confirmed that the new runewords can get made on non ladder after the season ends, or that the runewords made in ladder simply transfer to nl? Because that was the case before, and than I can understand the OP.

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Ladder is just for those who can afford spending all life on the game.
Yes, ladder/seasons is against the game type itself, RPG games are based on progress, on creating a “role”/build over time, restarting from 0 is just a desperate measure of Blizzard to force you to play the game because they do not know how to mentain interrest in the game with other options.
I never ever even started a D3 seasonal char and I will not play ladder in D2R, seasons in D3 or in D4 if they will do the same mistake to add them in D4.

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Nit confirmed, but it will work 100% like this.
Maybe they are available in SP on ladder start as well, at least when the ladder ends.

And i really dont understand this dumb “i dont have time for ladder argument”.
You have your non-ladder chars, likely fully equipped. If you want to, start a ladder char, just for fun, maybe you get the new runewords in time, maybe not, but then your ladder char just will be transfered to non-ladder INCLUDING all your items and runes, so no “time wasted”. Wheres the problem?

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Actually it was confirmed new runewords will be coming to non-ladder as soon as ladder is over in that public talk they had with Mr. LLama. So it is basically confirmed with the slight disclaimer that at this moment everything concerning the patch can still change in final version.

So yes, as far as known at this moment every player that will decide not to play ladder or will not be able to farm them in ladder due to time constraints, will be able to play with them as soon as ladder is over, SP and online.

Just as that they confirmed there are a number of runewords they will introduce over a few ladders, so it will not just be the first ladder that will have new runewords.

@Zaman, the reason why many want teleport on items and Enigma out of the game is not jealousy as such, but because it was brought in in a crude patch to try balance things after the Blizzard North team left, that basically broke a lot of the philosophy of the game and made it a game where you need to read guides to understand what items and skills did.

Many were already against when that patch came out and they did not change their mind after having seen those patches in action for years on years. I do not expect it to happen unfortunately, since it would be a bloodbath as many of the so called purists somehow enjoyed those changes :P, but agree undoing those later patches and rolling them back would bring game way closer to what it was intended to be and to a better base to start rebalancing in my personal opinion. It is just still that old fight, still not given up on by some. :stuck_out_tongue:

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I was one of those that were against it when it first came out. Why? First…my sorc stopped being unique. Deep down the frustration was out of exactly the reasons I told you combined with the fact I was an edgy teenager. :)) In the meantime… lots of years passed…I was lucky enough with rune drops in d2r and I build my first Enigma ever. And I love it! :slight_smile:

Anyway I have the feeling the new patches will bring at least a cheaper runeword with +1 to teleport. :slight_smile:

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Hmm, where do you get that impression from?

Im really curious, because to me it felt like they really dont want to touch anything with the status quo of enigma, i think teleport is something really special.

Did they talk about new runewords other than the two runewords that are already in the data since 1.10?

Anyway, I am really excited about the patch.

I wont be able to compete for ladder, but i always start my new chars on ladder, and then they become nl after a while anyway.

Been like that back in the time, no need to change :wink:

Didnt really know i was playing ladder when i first started D2, if i remember correctly the first seasons where longer than a year :wink:

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It’s a feeling as I told you…there is a very high chance I am wrong. But at least I expect to make repairing weapons with tp charges more affordable or something else to make the items that already have teleport charges on them more viable. I have a pally circlet with +2 sk, 20fcr some other stuff and teleport charges that i used before Enigma on my hammerdin. Very nice…except it was prohibitive to recharge on the long term.

I will just play normal and try to farm the runes for the new runewords that will come to normal after ladder is over.

I don’t think they will touch any of the existing end game items. All we can do for now is only speculate. I am also very excited for the new patch. Really curious how they will buff the unused set items. :smiley:
Cheers.

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Me three as excited for new patch and yeah teleport on items going out of game is a lost battle and a ship sailed long ago. :slight_smile:

If they had wanted to go back, D2R would have been build based on the latest Blizzard North patch, and it clearly was not but on the later patched version so we will be stuck with teleport on items. Now I do not mind enigma even so much since at least hard to get, but teleport on items and other changes in those patches seriously changed the game from how it was intended to play :stuck_out_tongue:

Just that debate is a nice reminder at least to me that many that are so against changes in current version, are actually defending a version which changes were disliked by many and that quite a few D2 fans still refuse to leave Classic for their reasons and refuse to play it.

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For sure. CtA did the same…Infinity also. They introduced skills that until than were unique to a certain class.

Thank you!!! And i find it quite hypocritical when they cry about ‘keeping the game unchanged’. Makes me think that either they have problems with memory, or more likely, they weren’t there in the beginning and didn’t witness the huge chances patches like 1.10 or 1.13c brought. Much more drastic than what they are bringing in the new patch in my opinion. :slight_smile:

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Well it will be pretty hard to bring in more drastic changes as they did in those later patches, where to correct some problems with the game they introduced a number of , maybe not too well thought through (or just not the budget to do better) band aids that pretty much led to a situation of only a few builds viable and game being to easy as long as you play those particular builds after a while.

Not even talking about fact that nowadays many skills and how they work can only be understood from a guide or that some of the passive skills of for ecxample amazon work against you if upgrade them… :stuck_out_tongue: So yeah even if these devs only fix those things with new patch, it will be a big win.

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Remember when there were no guides? I 'member. I have so nice memories gathering with the boys in a smoky Internet Caffe, huddled around a 15inch CRT and brainstorming on builds and item combinations. A time before tokens and Akara respec-ing…the dawn of online gaming. Now you just search for a guide and it’s easy-peasy.

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Yeah that also changed the nature of gaming and makes it way harder for devs to make a great ARPG as D2 was that has a good balance of difficulty and time investment that is not about an end game, since now millions of people work together to find the solutions instead of you alone with a few friends. So games where as devs you can just change small part of game to shake it up have started to make more sense to make, despite the loss and fun games like D2, but also Baldurs Gate or Might and Magic series gave us.

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No, it’s not an “motivation”. Maybe for you, but not for the majority of players.

I want to be able to build ALL runewords and drop ALL items, even outside the ladder.
I want to be able to build me a Insight, Spirit or whatever, whenever I want.

What you’re saying is complete senseless.
Why exactly are you against it?
What does harm you, if non-ladder and ladder its only difference, is a restart and ranking? The core purpose of it.

If you don’t want to play non-ladder, then don’t do it and leave other people their piece and freedom.

That easy.

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Well you can do all that, once the ladder season is over. Stop crying just because you have to wait a few monthes.