Thorns damage numbers

General Discussion
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Hello there. After 2.4 I can’t understand thorns damage numbers from mercenary and iron golem.
In mercenary window I see:
“650% damage returned
Attacker takes damage of 56”
So… What means 650%? 650%=56 or what?
Iron golem… No information about thorns. Just it is. In skill tree I see:
“Current skill level 6
thorns damage
defence + 210”
Great… In patch note “Now thorns will deal a flat amount of damage when the aura-effected targets are attacked”. I want some numbers. In game I see nothing.

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I had a discussion on that topic with Runaval during old 2.4 PTR where Damage values are given and analyzed -->Search on LurkerLounge D2 Forums
I do not see any updated information about it. The official Arreat Summit and major fan sites are still displaying the old DamageReturn%. I do not know if Blizzard has rollbacked to the old system, I will pearhaps take a look and let you know

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Yeah, I saw a lot of fan sites with old % numbers, before I asked a quastion. Thank you in advance.

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OK This is for the paladin Thorns Skill.
This example should help to understand how it works with the current patch
The Skill have 4 parameters

  • Param1 RadiusBaseline - Value 16
  • Param2 Radius per level - Value 2
  • Param3 Damage%Return Baseline - Value 250
  • Param4 Damage Return per level - Value 40

The skill have 2 SkillCalculation
The First one AuraRadius=LN12 → par1 + (lvl - 1) * par2
Aura Radius = 16 + (lvl-1) * 2 (in subtiles not in yards subtiles = the map lowest subdivision A tile = 5*5 subtiles)
The Last One Damage%Return = ln34 → par3 + (lvl - 1) * par4
Damage Return % = 250 + (lvl-1) * 40 damage% Return

And a BAse damage with the following parameters
Emin = 4 / EMinLev1 = 4 / Lev2 = 8 / Lev3 = 12 /lev4=16 / eminLev5 = 20
No damage type so Physical
No Emax value so no random value
Base Damage = Emin → 4 at level 1
Then you add eminLev1 from Level 2-8 … EminLevel5 for level >28

Here is the result for skill level 1 to 22

SLVL Direct DMG % DMG
1 4 250
2 8 290
3 12 330
4 16 370
5 20 410
6 24 450
7 28 490
8 32 530
9 40 570
10 48 610
11 56 650
12 64 690
13 72 730
14 80 770
15 88 810
16 96 850
17 108 890
18 120 930
19 132 970
20 144 1010
21 156 1050
22 168 1090

In your exemple I assume that the SLVL is 11 and each time an enemy attack your mercenary the thorn damage are
56 + 650%damagereceived (if you are hit)

Base damage always applies when a monster attack
%Damagereturn applies only if the hit is successfull

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Thank a lot. So looks like mercenary and paladin more effective, because they have direct damage + % damage. In patch note indicated: Spirit of barbs and Iron Golem “Aura no longer returns a percentage of damage when hit. Now the aura will deal a flat amount of damage when the aura-effected targets are attacked”. But I don’t think mercenary and paladin aura gives % DMG. Maybe aura gives only direct DMG, but merc and paladin only themself have % DMG? In nightmare too little DMG for 650% when mobs attacked skeletons. And what about numbers for Iron golem? Same like spirit of barbs? No indication in game. Thank you in advance.

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OK Do not surestimate the 650%
let’s take an example.
In Zone Level 85 most of the Monster does 60-100 physical damage.
With 650% you give them back 390 to 650 DMG Maximum
Why Maximum because you have probably damage reduction and all monster have at least 50% resistance to physical damage.

In conclusion
Zone 85 → probably between 150 - 250 real physical damage with 650% damage return.

I am not surprised that the 650% in nightmare seems inneficient

And OK I will check the different skill and monster and give you a feedback.

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OK
Thorns paladin skill (Paladins and Mercenaries) has Direct Damage and Damage%Return
SpiritOfBarbs and Iron Golem have only Direct Damage return when attacked
Here is the value form SLVL 1 to 22 (first three skill Tiers)

SLVL GolemThorn SpiritBarb
1 15 32
2 21 41
3 27 50
4 33 59
5 39 68
6 45 77
7 51 86
8 57 95
9 69 113
10 81 131
11 93 149
12 105 167
13 117 185
14 129 203
15 141 221
16 153 239
17 171 266
18 189 293
19 207 320
20 225 347
21 243 374
22 261 401
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Thank you. So, thorns of Iron Golem is useless. Great. Thank for balance.