Barb was overtuned, they said

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And then, on the first day of the patch, with a third of his gear not even ancient yet, non-optimised affixes on some of it, this happens…

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After that, on his Twitch stream, he’s been trying out solo GR150s. Closest he’s come so far is a little over 16 minutes, but that wasn’t with ideal pylons.

Once he’s got ancients in all slots, and therefore able to apply rank 150 Caldesann’s Despair to it, all it’ll take is the right map and we’ll have the first solo GR150.

But remember, that same player doing a GR140 on the PTR on WhirlRend was deemed overtuned, and resulted in the Rend-based build being nerfed back to a level where clearing 133-135 is where it will top out now.

Wizards and Necros were nerfed because they were capable of GR148 and GR147 respectively. Now we have a Crusader build that’s almost GR150 capable on day 1 of the patch going live. This level of ineptitude is truly world class.

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He’s got five Primal items, only shoulders and gloves are non ancient but with good stats and he’s got high augments.

I don’t see any bad thing in players reaching 150 solo now that it’s “easy” to do in groups. I’m a bit afraid that there will be a sudden nerf to the Aegis of Valor set so that if we suddenly go all in in mats and stuff in making strong crusaders it’ll be wasted because of a hotfix before season 19!

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If he’s only got two items that are non-ancient now, that’s because he’s replaced what he had when he did the GR145. I noticed he’d done a GR146 before I headed to bed last night so the gear you’re seeing may have been upgraded.

If doing GR150 solo on a Crusader is “fine” then why was Barb doing GR140 “overtuned”?

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I don’t think the team nerfed Rend because of the high clear of a single player or because someone showed some skewed statistics. It was probably more because they saw a lot of lower paragon and lower geared players breezing through 120 plus GRs and got scared.
I also think that the team favors builds that are a bit complicated to play and gear for compared to more simple builds. Maybe they think AoV is so hard to master that only few players will get above 140 or something like that…
I’m totally against the Lamentation nerf of course.

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Day 2 of the patch…

Barbs with their “overtuned” Whirlwind / Rend build haven’t managed higher than GR130 or so.
Apparently, being 20 GRs behind is too overpowered for Barbs.

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Correction: maybe they think AoV is so hard to master that only a few players will get above… erh… will reach 150.

It’s a total mess. Nev says that there’ll be an update after her meeting with the team on wednesday 13th local time.

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Yeah, I saw that. Unless they re-introduce the 200% Rend on Lamentation and nerf the Crusader thing back by 10GRs Season 19 is a complete bust and any claims they make about “overtuning” and “balance” will be a complete mockery.

Heck, I’ve also seen a video of a 4-man GR150 clear in under 12 minutes where the party consisted of a support barb, support monk, support necro and a damage crusader in the new set. The Crusader was responsible for clearing all trash, elites and the guardian. He killed the Guardian in around 1 min 20 secs.

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To add insult to injury, that’s the same guy who did a WW 140 on the PTR, which according to the US forums is what got Rend WW nerfed in the first place, and now he throws out a 146 with Crusader, this whole Lamentation nerf is just a complete farce to be honest.

What it all comes down to really, when you boil it all down is the fact that the D3 devs simply hate WW Barbs, full stop.

They consider it too easy to play (in their opinion) and therefore will never let it perform well in terms of high GR pushing.

Anyway, whatever, check out the sh$t storm on the US forums regarding the whole subject, it’s fun to watch…

On a more positive note, I’ve done a little testing, and at least now the WW Wastes set feels a little more complete, kinda like they finished it at long last, with a semi serious attempt to get Rend working properly as part of the set.

Speaking as a casual with only 1500 ish Paragon (i.e. I don’t bot, lol)

Feels like the same old, same old, power creep, before the patch I was doing GR100 with very little time to spare, after the patch I’m doing GR100 with lots of time to spare, kinda GR100 speeds…

So, I’ll have fun for a few weeks, then get bored, and bugger off again…

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Crusader’s set Aegis of Valor was much weaker in PTR. Someone post at twitter, that PTR was later available on consoles and Blizz “secretly” buffed Aegis Of Valor again.

A lot of players played Rend/WW Barb in PTR and they were scared because they saw low paragon players with bad rolled items was able to clear GR 120 and higher. Aegis of Valor was weak at PTR (PC version), so almost nobody wants to play it.

Now everyone will play Crusader, because even if it is “harder” to play, everyone know that this set is MUCH stronger than anything else! Now we’ll see another RAGE topics at Diablo 3 forum, because people want BIG BUFFS for other sets and other characters to be able to clear GR 150.

This game is a joke.

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Wow, that’s insane. It seems that Blizzard doesn’t play this game at all. They don’t understand it, they just increase / decrease some numbers and they are waiting for some surprises.

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Do not forget, that Blizzard secretly buffed Aegis of Valor. It was not strong in PTR at all.

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It’s strange that they can spend so many resources on creating two new sets and a complicated season theme and then only test it in one, short PTR (and after that make changes that aren’t put on a new PTR).

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Is it worth rolling +15% Rend dmg on shoulders?

I would ask in the Barb forum, but it’s deader than a very dead thing indeed…

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In the vague hope that there’s an emergency patch before Season 19 goes live where the Lamentation belt gets its 200% Rend multiplier back, it’s absolutely worth rolling +15% Rend on Shoulders and Chest. If not, then not really, as the majority of the damage will still be coming from WW / Area Damage / procs, not Rend.

If you want a really vibrant, busy Barbarian forum, use the US one…

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If you’re new to the Wastes set and don’t have an optimized, specialized WW build already then I think a rend build with Ambo’s and Lamentation will do ok untill you hit a wall in greater rifts. If you wanna go higher in GRs you’ll need other barb builds.
Unless, like Meteor says, last minute changes are made.

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With 3200 paragon, ancient / primal in every slot, 575 STR Caldesann’s on every slot, I started to hit that wall at GR110. I did a GR123 with the exact same stuff on the PTR (non-seasonal, so without the killstreak theme from S19). Now, don’t get me wrong, GR110 is certainly higher than my previous WW best which was a GR105, going up 5 GRs is a lot less impressive than going up 18 GRs. That’s how much difference that belt made to me.

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Agree completely…
Rend was said to be overtuned. So they overturned it.

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I would be happy with just 100% rend multi on the belt to be honest, anything, anything is better than zero, and Whirlwind to me feels just so much better with these changes to the set and the rend weapon.

I’m waiting for Free to update his Whirlwind guide on the US forum, but I think he’s still testing stuff at the mo.

He’s probably gutted, after the devs pulled this nonsense.

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Free’s probably waiting to see what’s in the Season 19 blog, and for Nevalistis to provide an update she’s promised after having a meeting with the devs. Frankly, it would be crazy if they don’t nerf a solo GR150 capable build back down to around 140 and not re-buff Barbs back up from 133 to 140.

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Nevalistis just posted that there wil be a small balance patch between now and season 19 start.

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