Endgame problem, nightmare dungeon 100

Endgame - killing uber Lilith, passing the 100 nightmare dungeon.

I’ve run into the problem that there are only a few builds that work to clear 100 nightmare dungeons.

The game forces you to go to various sites to copy top players’ builds.

Question:

  • Why are there so few working builds?
  • How many players made their own build and killed uber Lilith without the help of the internet?
  • What is the point of copying someone else’s experience?

I want to play and not learn the math of the game for hours in the endgame…

Who has the same problem?

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I mainly did my main build (rogue poison flurry trap + shadow clone) for fantasy likings.
on uber lilith flurry is nothing compared to twisting blade so had to adapt (and most rogues are playing with Twisting blade)
My main problem was that the resistances works weirdly, had 85% armor (capped out) + around 50+ all res and still got 1 shoted by electric lighting or destroyed by frosty melee boys.
So i had to adapt again and swap a spell for the unstoppable buff.
The more you move forward , less choices you have for your build.
And at some point i guess you get tired testing everything and just pull a build that works (which i didn’t do cause the whole point is to theoricraft in theses games for me).

But that’s just my experience.

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Probably everyone who isn’t copying a build…
Managed to clear a 74 solo, but had to be really careful.
If i try tier 80 though, i can’t even damage regular mobs cause i had to give up so much dps to survive in tier 60-70’s…
Can’t do Lilith though, because i only damage cc’ed targets and my regular hits to Lilith are like 100k, while other people hitting her for millions…
Tried so many builds, this is really as far as i can get.
Nearly got all the DR max rolled on all items i can get it (not chest armor, need it for teleport stun , really lame you cant have DR on uniques)
Paragon also both burning/chilled target reduction
As much armor as i can + 75% armor aspect…
Some other reduce damage aspects/skill points

But that just doesn’t work for Lilith either, i need way too long to kill her and even though i don’t take that much damage, i’d need like 50 potions to kill her… cause my damage is that weak lol.

I know i could copy that one broken build, but i don’t wanna…
Why should there only be 1 build, on 1 spec when your class has multiple to choose from… it’s just dumb.
If we all have to play the same, just give us all the same skills/paragon and don’t waste my time farming billions trying to find something that works.

Also a lot of stats just make no sense, some things that give way less % boost end up doing way more damage like damage vs burning target vs stunned target (even against a stunned target, lower % burning damage will do more than higher % vs stunned…)

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Endgame is leveling to 100. uLilith and nm50+ is just there for no reason

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It looks exactly like this, for me it’s sad. I really like the idea of ​​the final boss.

Every class has 2 Lilith viable builds Necro has only one i think.

So even if there weren’t any build guide sites,people would eventually come up with the same builds because its not like D4 has limitless build options like promoted in D4 hype videos on YT , sure you can have 50 different builds for all classes,but out of those 50 ,only 5-6 are Lilith/NM 100 viable.

That’s where most youtubers are getting their ‘‘content’’ from . Every day some SUPER SECRET NEW OP BUILD showcased in WT2 or NM 35.

Btw build copy/paste has been around for a while , even top players,streamers and youtubers copy/paste best builds.

Eventually you must,even if you tried to make it on your own,if you followed the most logical route without looking on the internet,you would end up with the already existing (example) Bone spear build.

Its not like you can play with it,for an example you decide you want to play bone spear, but you want more hp, or more survivability because you do not have a lot of room for compromise, because you would end up doing WAAAAY less damage than intended and what’s the point of running bone spear build,when your core ability does 100 k dmg instead of 3 million

I made shadow dot necro build on my own,with the shield because i always loved shield necro. I was able to tank whole screen of enemies , while my dots ticking for 700-900 k and it was horrible. At first it looks amazing,and when there are a lot of mobs,i kill everything within 4-5 seconds , i did 75 with it with 2 revives left. There was one small issue. It took me 4 hours to finish a dungeon.

When there are few mobs left,i do no damage. Even the corpses i generate are not enough to do any kind of damage. I was stuck at the last boss for over an hour. I probably lost additional hour or more trying to clear 2-3 leftover mobs every once in a while and i lost probably as much ,trying to kill 1 teleporting demon which had the dome around her.

The most saddening part of this is knowing bone spear necro could do this in 10-15 minutes.

Self found builds may sound like great idea,because you play game on your own,as it should be played,but then you realize , if you want to be efficient you have no other choice but to play meta.

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This is bad paragon design (1-2 meta build). We see that developers cannot balance it normally. Some weird inverse math is working now. A bunch of extra features that do not make the game more fun.

Another big question is why should we play nd50-99? it’s useless for leveling and there is no better gear. Maybe to improve the glyphs, but it’s probably faster in low level dungeons.

Hundreds of tries and only a few of them has been with non weird wave patterns.
It’s one thing having a hard boss, it’s a completely different story entirely when the fight doesn’t even mechanically work.
It’s just a shit fight where the only way to “win” is to burst her past key boss mechanics because they’re broken or straight up unfair.

Also, the difference in damage between some builds on the same classes (tested on necro and barb) is in the hundreds of thousands of percent…

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Agree, I view these things as a way and means for Blizzard to identify who and what to nerf, even though streamers are running the content like they are gods gift to gaming not realising they are only helping Blizzard by doing their job for them lol.

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all broken builds must be nerf => normilized difficult ND

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