HOLY MOLY. you really went all in on the shop

your just adding armor and items after armor and items and addons thats so damn expensive instead of actually fix the games problem??, are you really that desperate to drain the players for everything before your ship sinks and your calling the game quit and have a skeleton crew working on it

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And the drops that you get in game are crap to look at, so the best looking gear is clearly saved to make even more money.

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This would be ok if the model was like POE
where the items looks garbage in game and cosmetics are pretty
but the game is free
Blizzard screwing players once more with paying for game then paying for cosmetics :smiley: :smiley:

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the prices for some of the mogs are still higher than anything in POE though

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Agree. I’ve bought items in a number of games, but everything in the D4 store is ridiculously priced.

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I don’t think aesthetic designers can do much about game systems, they just make costumes. Their work isn’t interchangable for something else.
I like that cosmetics are expensive, that makes them exclusive. I also like that they’re adding a lot, that again defends the uniqueness of things you purchase.
It’s a good business model, in my view.

D4 is good also, and growing. I don’t have any fears about this as I did with D3. And D3 is unsunken yet. D4’s base is better and it’ll do better in the long run but it’s already doing well. But no, not all things have been dealt with.

paid developer? o.O damn, didnt know they answered here

You make little sense.
I’m content with the game, you are not.
I’m content with the business model and you are not.
What is it that you need to tell me? Are you telling me that you now think I am developer of Diablo 4, perhaps the lead designer even? What do you base this on?

Yep, Blizzard straight up lied to us about this, and its well documented:

ā€œThe best-looking cosmetics aren’t exclusive to the Shop. Diablo IV will ship with hundreds of transmogs unlockable from drops in-game, including dozens of armor sets of the highest visual quality. There are incredible pieces—Unique and Legendary quality items—for players to find without ever going to the Shop. The Shop offers more diversity of choices, not systematically better choices.ā€

This was copy/pasted directly from their quaterterly development update from August 2022, wich still exist on their official website.

The cosmetics included in the game are a absolute joke compared to the shop. Even the paid battlepass cosmetics pales beside the shop items. The battlepass promises 10 sets, but in reality its one single set in two color variations, that fits all classes.

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In end of the day they only care money. You can cry about it but is damm true. This how business works. People will still play the game.

I really don’t understand how people find replay-ability in this game. Getting to 100 once is mind-numbing. Once you complete the campaign there is nothing to do except the same three drawn out chores over and over. The last leg of that journey i.e. 70-100 is practically soul-destroying, and that’s it folks welcome to the game and Seasons just means you get to do it all again only with a smaller campaign. It’s just wrong.

The core of the game, which consists of endlessly grinding through 2-3 shallow grind loops that are devoid of creativity, originality, but most importantly fun, is the main problem for me. I don’t mind the cash grab on the skins, fair enough whatever. It’s the consumer’s choice to buy … right? But the way they do it is rather underhanded, by making the stock sets dull as dishwater they know people will be drawn to purchasing the skins - you may say well that’s good business but I would argue that if they spent more time on making a great game instead of how they can make money they would have made more money in the long-run.

And I don’t understand why someone would keep playing if they’re done?
The reason I play it is to play it. I wish there was more skill to it but there’s some. Wish there were more ways for me to define my playstyle also. So yea, a bit boring for sure but fun too.

About the business model, I think this is the most fair one where people pay to look better. That pays for expansions.

And those expansions can’t be written by the art team. You can’t divert power into all ā€œgreat game makingā€, they know just how to make artwork. If you fire your artists and employ game designers you’ll just have twice the amount of game designers and no artists.
Like what you say where they focus on ā€œthe gameā€ is completely unrealistic because they are! Not having an art team doesn’t make it better. And not having an art team makes the business model fail. Not having a business model doesn’t pay for expansions and then your double designer team doesn’t have a job and we don’t have a game.

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You laugh at people who purchase bling and yet this model is not pay to win, which actually deserves mockery.

It SHOULD be expensive and exclusive. There SHOULD be limited offers.
That makes you FREE FROM SUBSCRIPTION AND PAY TO WIN!

You scoff all u like but I’m getting the new peacock for my rogue, and the bird helm. Ima look a bit more fancy than the next guy and I can feel just a smidgeon of speciality.
Should u? Well, pay then. That’s the business model. And u can look cool without purchases + get things all free. I don’t purchase the battlepasses cuz nothing interesting to me, so I don’t get that; which is fair, don’t u think. Someone else has what I do not. Envy. … Perhaps I think that’s how it should be. Maybe they don’t have the bird head for rogue. Maybe they do… then we got that much in common, at least.
Just playing the season give u great loot in terms of cosmetics. Over time it will become a treasure hoard of things more or less interesting.

… Like really, where u coming from thinking it’s unfair that they capitalise on their product?
We live in a capitalism, this is it, and it’s not unfair as u get things just by playing and it doesn’t affect performance at all.
Cosmetics shop and artist team for the win.

If you are content, then no need to get involved in this thread as it’s for those who clearly aren’t.

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I think it’s important for any discussion to have a counter-weight, a different opinion.

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your literally the gold standard shining example of why this game is in a terrible state, i see it in ALL of your replies in every post you can get your hands to, you are spreading false information about an opinion that is widely regarded as a terrible marketing idea and strategi to keep players invested in the game, its fine, YOU like the transmogs, but me my self allready have over 1000+ hours into the game and i allready know i have played the game so much longer than you if your not a ā€˜ā€˜Dev’’ even if you were… that i can comfidently say that putting more stuff into the cash shop is NOT how you increase player attention or player base…

a 65 euro horse skin gives you nearly palworld AND helldivers 2 which can be played for years with more fun content than what diablo 4 from a triple A studio has provided…

your trying to defend this game , and me who even enjoys playing the game hates the state its in. and seeing them add more cosmetics at these prices instead of adding more endgame content and fixing major issues like itemization and boss designs and rework major components just makes me even more annoyed… and here you are… defending it,

now last epoch comes out and they have NOT even talked about the cash shope once since releasing 1.0 , only skimmed over a few new armors coming for the cash shop and you know what, i would rather spend 65 euro on those skins and get far more value both ingame and support a studio who CARES about theyre player base instead of they wallet… the reason that baldurs gate is doing so great is simple :slight_smile:

we dont have share holders, and we answer to no share holders, we believe that good games for the players makes more money, and they are right.

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They could make normal cosmetics system, something like steam market, where you can sell or trade cosmetics and they take 1% from sale while cosmetics drop one way or the other in game. The problem is that people buy those overpriced cosmetics from them directly, so there is no need to make any decent and player friendly systems. So in general you can’t blame Blizzard for what they are doing. Making money on idiots is still legal.

People who pay for the development are now idiots for dressing up in video games?
Glossing over your responses and there’s not much to say. You’re unhappy about it anyway, and so it will remain. But I think many appreciate it. Cosmetics do sell and make a tangible difference to the experience without tampering with the game itself. It’s fair, and fun.

Yes but poe do not cost 100euros for base game :smiley: