WT2 lvl 50 extreme xp penalty = Game-breaker. Why is this not a serious meltdown?

General Discussion PC
1

I just ran into this issue, and it confused the h*ll out of me. I’m still trying to figure it out. So, please correct me if I say something wrong.

It seems the game has only ONE way to be played correctly, and you don’t get ANY warnings about that. And the idea itself is so weird, you have no way to see it coming. By the time you figure it out, you have a level 50 character that’s BROKEN. Gotta start over :frowning:

Once you reach level 50, you cannot move to World Tier 3 unless you’ve finished the campaign first. And until you move to WT3, your xp is extremely penalised.

I just reached lvl 50, always playing on WT2, and I’m not even CLOSE to finishing the campaign. What am I supposed to do now?

And I didn’t even reach lvl 50 by grinding. I just played some of the non-campaign stuff. I didn’t repeat any areas. Just played some side quests, and a small part of the campaign. I’ve only been through Fractured Peaks, Dry Steppes and Scosglen, and I still have a good deal of non-campaign stuff available. Most strongholds and dungeons, for example.

So, the game gives you all that extra stuff to go through, but you eventually get PUNISHED for not rushing to do campaign first? The game seems to be catering to speedrunners only! What about the rest of us? Why even bother putting all those side quests? The game is clearly designed in a way that reaching level 50 LONG before finishing the campaign is extremely easy to achieve…

Now, if I prioritise the campaign, what will happen? My xp rewards from every single thing until I finish it, will be extremely penalised. That’s A LOT of wasted xp.

Will this affect my loot drops as well? Some people are saying that’s likely. Not sure why.

Some people are claiming their characters will remain permanently “overleveled” even if they bother clearing the campaign to get to WT3 and get rid of the extreme xp penalty. And I can’t quite understand why. But I’m NOT interested in the rest of the game being way easier than it should. That’s just not fun.

Lastly, what will happen to all the non-campaign stuff once I finish the campaign? Will I be able to play it at all? Will I be overleveled for that, since some of it was “meant” for the beginning of the game, yet they expect me to finish so much of the game first? I haven’t even done Cries of Innocence or Dread Martyr, for example.

Blizzard knows a lot of us like to play all the optional stuff, and they included it for us, but with this huge intentional glass ceiling there as well…

I don’t wanna start over. I don’t wanna be forced to play differently, to be able to play decently at all. I’m a semi-casual player, like so many others, and I’m being punished for that as well it seems.

I’m not the kind to whine about how I’ll quit a game and how they’ve got everything wrong and yadda yadda. My online talk on games is scarce, and it almost never includes criticism.

But this feels truly broken.

4 Likes
2

In every RPG be it cRPG, MMORPG, ARPG I remember there was ALWAYS penalty for clearing content under your level, how is this surprise to you?

On plus side, you can go pretty much instantly to WT4 once done with campaign (there is no real LV lock)

It will scale accordingly in higher world tiers.

Here is the thing: They simply wanted to be capstone dungeon to be part of the story, sorta cherry on top. So letting you go there before finishing campaign would be kinda spoilery. Look, I’ve also finished campaign slightly over 50, but it isn’t that big deal imho, once you are done with it, you can go straight into capstone and it will all be fine.

I agree it is build in way when they don’t expect you to do most of the side quests and dungeons during your campaign playthrough. However all of the world will get additional mechanism in higher world tiers. There is whispering tree (sorta bounty system) that yields additional reward for dungeons that change on hourly basis, helltides that make several regions more difficult.

I recommend you to simply focus on story line and then enjoy everything in higher world tier.

1 Like
3

you still accumulate materials and gold so it’s not a massive waste

4

I think you’re missing the point. The main issue is that the game lets you reach lvl 50 long before WT3 is even available, even if you don’t do any grinding at all. So, it’s extremely easy to paint yourself into a corner without even trying.

So letting you go there before finishing campaign would be kinda spoilery.

I’m not even trying to do that.

1 Like
5

Yeah I understand, I made some edits with some additional info, sorry. TL DR: don’t worry about side quests and dungeons for now, you can do all of that later in higher world tier and it will all be scaled accordingly, nothing will be trivialized until you have powerful build.

6

XP is still extremely important. Am I gonna get bad loot drops because the monsters are below my level, too? That’s also very important. Seems pretty massive to me.

I already have way more gold and materials than I know what to do with, for the most part.

1 Like
7

Until you have billions, don’t worry about having too much gold, I have 300M and I feel permanently poor.

1 Like
8

My initial thought really was “how are you reaching lvl 50 WITHOUT having completed the campaign”…

I think I was lvl 32 when I cleared the campaign on my werewolf druid and that class only really gets going from lvl 50+… fighting stuff in the campaign became a slog… they couldn’t kill me and it took me ages to kill them. Still managed to complete the campaign WAY before I hit lvl 50 though…

9

Ok, but I’m not even sure how much of the campaign I have left to do. Can you please help me figure that out? Let’s see…

Act I: Neyrelle is waiting for me, to cross the Black Lake. Meaning I’ve only gone as far as killing Vhenard and getting my blessing, on that.

Act II: Find Airidiah at Solitude. So, haven’t done much on that front yet.

Act II: Check with the knights in Tirmair about Lilith. Barely started this bit, I believe.

Act III: Enter the Temple of the Primes and stop Elias. I know I’ll face tyrant Brol down there by that quest’s end.

It sounds to me like I have like 80% ahead of me :frowning:

10

if you just completed act 3… then yeah; IIRC the campaign has 6 ACTS…

11

Hmm, definitely not 80%, however you do indeed have a bunch in front of you. However 6 Acts sounds worse than it is, 6th is fairly sort and 5th imho as well. If you go “straight line” from there on, it wont be so bad, FEW hours tops. You indeed took a scenic route. But honestly, don’t worry, you are not losing on anything that you wont catch up in no time.

1 Like
12

I don’t worry about it. I figure if the game’s letting me pile up this much gold, I will need it for something eventually? I have like 2M, and I don’t see much use for it. I have plenty for the occasional repair, gem crafting, gear upgrade, etc. Recently, I mostly just salvage the items for the materials.

And except for the perpetually scarce materials, I have plenty of what is needed to keep all of my gear fully upgraded or almost. I mean, spending Baleful Fragments or Abstruse Sigils on upgrades makes little sense it seems. But Iron Chunks, Silver Ore and Veiled Crystals are no problem at all.

13

You will need insane amount later on for enchanting (stat rerolling), respecing on higher level (if you want to experiment with different builds in end game) and trading if you are into that sort of things. Gem upgrades can also sink tens of millions, but that’s longer story to explain why it is worth it.

Also I absolutely expect there will be way more gold sinks coming with new mechanisms (unless you plan to play seasons only and this is throw away char for you).

14

here’s an example of you gold sink for you…

Reforge an item (or enchant it as it’s called in this game) to get a single property on an item rerolled: 50K… second reroll: 500K (and I’m NOT KIDDING; gold prizes REALLY ramp up that fast)

The aspects I extract come at a 150K gold cost, repair bills often gross 150K+

The game will get expensive, REALLY fast from WT2 onward

15

Single enchant (reroll of an attribute on a weapon): +/- 50K
Second reroll: 500K

And that’s not exagerated; prizes do really ramp up that quickly

16

I explained how. By doing some of the non-campaign stuff. Always playing WT2. I’m not a particularly skilled or efficient player, either.

I shouldn’t be streamlined into playing one way only. I have a right to play the game differently, specially if those options are literally just THERE for me to take. In fact, common sense suggests that the campaign quests should be the hardest, and the side stuff is there to help you be strong enough to deal with the campaign.

I found Vhenard too hard during beta, for example. Same with a couple side quest bosses. So, I figured I needed to cover more side stuff to be up to the level. Now it seems the game punishes me for not choosing the one and only road they considered correct…

1 Like
17

Spend today 30 mills on rerolling one thing that I reaaaally needed to reroll heh.

18

Is that for Sorcerers only? I’m playing Barbarian.

19

Honestly, Diablo was never really structured this particular way, difficulty always came with higher difficulty levels, in this case World tiers. Difficulty jump between WT3 and WT4 is shock for many people tbh.

20

That’s why I mentioned I played WW druid… I think RN it’s THE most inefficient lvling class there is in the game and I did a TON of sidequests too (by the time I hit WT3 I instantly completed the renown rewards up to the surlast level)…