Tl;Dr: I don’t like the clutter and I’d like mercs and BG to migrate to their own games and have HS be it’s own thing again.
I’d like to see BG move out of HS. It’s just usless data on my disks as I don’t play it. Why not make an option to remove it? Why not just have a separate game for BG? Same thing goes for mercenaries. Like, what do those two modes have to do with HS besides some random HS specific characters nobody cares about? I’d really like it if HS was like 2-3 Gb. Now it’s around 6. Twice as large as it used to be before BG and Mercs was added. Seeing how popular BG is with some people I think it makes sense to just move it from HS. Also, seeing how few people play mercinaries I feel like that was just a huge waste of everyones time, but just for those few who do, I guess it’s ok to keep it (Just not in HS, make another entry for it in the launcher) .
Is game size really an issue when you have terabytes of free space?
These modes are part of Hearthstone. They share the same lore and characters as the original card game.
That’s like saying that the Story Mode in Red Dead Redemption 2 should be a separate entry from its multiplayer. If I don’t play multiplayer in RDR2 that doesn’t mean it should go away someplace I can’t see it. That’s nonsense.
In Hearthstone, I play Battlegrounds a lot, and my brother plays Mercenaries.
I consider clutter to be anything that’s in a place that could be used for something else, while the thing creating the clutter isn’t doing anything useful. Something similar could be taken from this: ¨a condition of disorder, or a lot of objects that are in a state of disorder¨ or ¨a large amout of confusing information¨
In a world where money grows on trees and I have as much of it as I need, no, size is not an issue. In this world, it is. That’s 3 gigs that could either be free or used for something else. Heck, even if I had Tbs of free space I wouldn’t want to waste 3 Gb on something I won’t ever use.
HS was part of WoW lore at a certain point in time. You don’t see it being a part of WoWs game files.
No idea what that game is, but I’d assume the story mode is at least in gameplay related to the multiplayer mode. If not I’d say that’s a bad way to design a game.
Like how you can play SC2 in the campaign and multiplayer. Both have the exact same mechanics. Some units in the campaign are different from the multiplayer units for obvious reasons. But still, if you play one you’re likely to enjoy the other, as they’re fundamentally the same game.
If the multiplayer isn’t the same mechanically as the story mode then I’d say you should be given the opportunity to opt in/out of it. Some older games for instance you can just remove (quite literally) the parts of the game you don’t want. Some CoD game if I remember correctly had a completely seperate campaign and multiplayer games. Same game, different installs.
And I think that’s nice and all, but you’d still be able to do that. You’d just have it installed as another game. BG and mercs are fundamentally different to HS and I firmly believe they should all be seperate games. BG is an autobattler (which is in my humble opinion a cancerous game type), and mercs is some gacha or whatever type of game (also cancerous imho). Both of which are fundamentally different to each other aswell.
All that being said, I don’t know about you, but I really dislike having things I don’t use just laying around, especially if that thing that I won’t use costs me time and/or money to enjoy the thing that I want.
For my cpu I’m fine with it as is, but given a choice I would remove bgs from my mobile where space is pretty tight for me and I never play it as I fear crashes in high apm games.
Forcing players to download side modes would cost Blizzard money since (given no bias) half will download, half won’t. Half of the second half would spend cash on side modes if they didn’t have to download them.
Simply put, you lose potential customers by doing such.
Was it less of a bother when Battlegrounds was buried under Modes? That which you don’t see, annoys you not?
Is it clutter solely because it’s part of the main screen now? I still don’t get the criticism.
The game is not much bigger than it used to be.
You’re finicky about space. There are plenty of apps that you don’t use on a daily basis that take loads of space; that doesn’t mean you delete them.
And what would use that space for? Make room for what? Other things you’ll only use once in a while ?
…I had to delete those apps for space pretty recently.
Where all apps that I use have got bigger over time through updates my laziness made me hit the red line. I did a full clean out and that got me 8GB spare, 2 of which had already been filled (could probably get rid of half that).
Like I said it’s not a feature I need but is one I’d use.
Maybe clutter wasn’t the right word for it, sorry I’m not a native English speaker. Maybe “a waste of space” would be better.
Sorry to hear that.
It’s more than twice as large as it was before the two side games were added.
Yes, I’m finiky about space. I paid for that space to be used by things I want to use. I as a consumer and paying customer should have a right to control exactly what’s on my system. This is a “feature” everywhere, except in the gaming industry. Or should I say it used to be a feature in the gaming industry, but not anymore. The reason behind that seems to be, to me at least, that they simply don’t care about what it costs the user to actually use the product. Is it better to have to spend hours searching the files and removing the files you don’t want (which in the case of modern games is kind of impossible to do and would crash the game but I’m just using this as an example) or is it better to have a button you click on and have only the relevant parts be installed in the 1st place? The 2nd option is the standard in almost all software, although a few hours more work if the program is designed well, is less load on the servers (remember, the server outputs a lot more data than the user inputs) → less money the company has to pay for server side costs (electricity, cooling,…) and less time spent for the user and his system → less money the user has to spend on actually getting it and/or the user can focus on other things.
No, there are no programs I don’t use at least once a month on my system. Why are you trying to tell me how my system looks? And yes, if a program takes a lot of space on my system and I know I’m not going to use it for a long time I’m going to delete it. That’s one way of taking care of your system.
Don’t assume others would do the same as you. And there’s a very distinct difference between “once in a while” and “never”.
I don’t really assume anything. You’ve said yourself that the way things are now is a huge waste of everyone’s time,as if you’re speaking for others. I’m not going to argue about this.
But please try to see this from a different angle.
Let’s say you play all modes equally-Battlegrounds, Mercenaries, Arena, Tavern Brawls, and yea, even Solo Adventures.
How much more bothersome would it be for you to have to locate them under different launchers or in different folders than to have it all installed and accessible under one common shell?
That is exactly what the game presents now: an efficient and comfortable way of storing all the extra modes under a single roof.
Like I mentioned before, if these modes (BG and mercs) had the same mechanics, like Duels, Arena, or Story mode, I’d have no issues with them being part of the same install even if I didn’t play them since they’re fundamentally the same game. You can play the multiplayer game you spoke about earlier if you wanted to play with other people and you can play the story if you want. But the reality is they don’t. They’re completely different. And they’re not some type of minigame. They’re fully fledged games. There are people who exclusively play those modes. They would probably be happier with having quests not related to HS or mercs. That being another issue: Mercs is so different from HS and BG that it has its own quests. Any time I saw a quest related to BG I sigh a sigh of disappointment. Granted, now they’ve made the weekly quest so that you can play either BG or any of the other HS modes. Which is a mild improvement, but still annoying.
Noone’s saying to remove them. Just to move them to their own games. I’m pretty sure most people would both enjoy those modes more if they didn’t have to go through the menu to get to them. You both remove the number of clicks needed to get to them, and you remove clutter from the screen.
Sure, the one time you have to install the games it’s a bit more work, but everything else? A lot better.
I agree, it’s nice and comfortable for those who play all of them. But to not have a choice in deciding what you will install on your own system is absurd to me. Removing the choice is, well to put it nicely, kind of a bad move. I’m not aware of any other entertainment industry doing this. More isn’t always better. And certainly not cheaper.
You can always reroll quests that you don’t care about. Battlegrounds only ever appears in weekly quests, and rerolling the quest will always yield you something non-BG-related.
The difference between Battlegrounds and regular Hearthstone is actually superficial when you really think about it.
In both modes you’re trying to assert board control in order to defeat the opponent’s hero. That it’s done via automatic/random targeting in Battlegrounds is not that great a difference.
No, it’s not. One’s a turn based card game. The other is an autobattler. Very different. Both in terms of gameplay and in tactics. I’m not much of a BG player obviously, but to say that the difference is “superficial” is beyond feigning ignorance.
Have you ever played either game mode? Seems to me like you’re confused a bit. In HS you don’t need to have board control, your turns are not simultaneous, the battle doesn’t proceed randomly. Etc. The only thing they actually have in common is the board.
Again, the mechanics are completely different. I don’t know why I have to keep saying this.
You’re able to hurt the enemy hero in Battlegrounds by having minions stronger than your opponent’s minions. Perhaps board control is the wrong term. Tempo is more like it.
If you’re able to clear all of the enemy minions,and have at least one remaining, you get to attack the hero, hence your board was stronger than your opponent’s.
Arena is about Tempo and board control, Standard is the same, and Battlegrounds is more about tempo.
Perhaps the only key difference in our perspectives is this: you play on mobile while I play on the PC, and never intend to play this game on mobile.
I’m not familiar with the mobile Hearthstone experience.
Idk what else to tell you about this. You seem to be talking nonsense for no reason. Even the design teams said that BG and HS are entirely different. Clearly, you have a very different definition for the terms you use than the rest of the world. Wish you the best with that.
I never said I play on mobile, nor do I. I’m talking about the PC version of the game.
You expressed concern over the game taking 6 GB instead of 2 GB so I thought you were playing on a device with limited space. The standard size of hard drives right now is 2-5 terabytes. Hearthstone is a speck of sand in the desert, by comparison.
When it comes to Battlegrounds, the name of the game is still stats, stats and more stats. The decision making is different, the strategy is different, but it’s still about having minions with stronger stats than your opponents. In this case, being among the top 4 with stronger stats than the other players.
If you trade up, you win; if you trade down, you lose. Perhaps I’m oversimplifying but that’s the gist of it.
You’re not collecting flowers or seashells to win the game.
You seem to be wrongly assuming quite a few things. Check steams stats for free and total storage space. You’re wildly wrong and unaware of it. And there is no such thing as a “Standard HD size”.
Why do you keep trying to sell hot air like this? Just read what I said above or don’t reply with this nonsense. I just paraphrased what the devs said.
Look, man. If my posts yesterday came off as condescending, then I apologize. I had a bad day at work.
It’s a dead-end argument, anyway. No point in trying to convince one another that one of us is right. We just have different views about the same experience.
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The devs themselves classify the two modes as completely different to HS.