Great News … Bots are Back in game …
since they are back, how about you comeback with a proof ?
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It´s a common understanding here due to thhe workings of the MMR rating that you will encounter bots more often if your own winrate is low enough.
bots do not have the best win conditions.
Can you explain more this BOT problem?
These are Blizzard’s bots. It has full access to in-game and private data from google services (youtube), twitter and other sources. Blizzard has an agreement with them to exchange it.
LOL, funny, they erased partnership page…
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Could be that they apply bot´s in hearthstone for some more deep learning model data and sell their own data to google and vice verse to gain more profit or sell their own models to other firms in the world.
Its nothing new but currently its just a assumption on the purpose of hearthstone bots.
though i never encountered them or they have improved that much that you can not tell anymore ![:scream:](https://d30yn6ctwpaot1.cloudfront.net/en/hearthstone/images/emoji/twitter/scream.png?v=6" ":scream:")
and from what i heave read here they had obvious names like XAFFSAQWD
Yes. And also they have some small glitches, that nobody noticed.
Just watch their actions with red arrow, time intervals between acts, instant “discoveries” and etc.
This is not how it works, in fact, doesn’t even make sense.
In the past these were typically related with bots from users exploiting the game. Not in-game bots developed by Blizzard.
Blizzard isn’t able to make decent bots for their adventures and suddenly their bots are great on the ladder…
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Blizzard’s bots addapt to players “skill”. As for me, my bots in adventures are clever enough to trade and play combos.
What does not work ? , i dont know if they use bot’s for some testing purposes , may it be to improve their own AI or people farming gold to sell the accounts on a later time. maybe one of them is true maybe both.
Maybe there can be more conclusions drawn from the data in those matches that i cant come up with right now.
I’d need evidence to proceed discussing this claim.
Allow me to elaborate. What you said was (bold is mine):
No, it cannot be. 
I’ll address the three things in bold.
deep learning model data
There is no such thing as deep learning model data. We have past data that is passed to algorithms to build models and predictions created by passing new data into the models. Model data (basically model meta data) is mostly irrelevant business wise and useful only for the data scientists build those models.
sell their own data to google and vice verse to gain more profit
Legit large data informed and data driven companies in the world don’t sell their own data to other companies. That data is the single most important internal monetisation asset they have. They won’t sell it. What these companies have is their data collection software in other companies software. For instance when you visit a page that has Google Ads, you can bet that Google will know what you are doing in that page. If you use a mobile app that has ads, the ad networks know what, when and how you use your mobile, as long as they have their software in as many apps as possible. But no company is going around selling data to each other. Not only is bad business but in Europe we have a little thing called GDPR that severely limits the data you collect and share.
sell their own models
Machine learning models are built with a specific task and objective in mind. That task and objective have a business case attached to it and the data provided to make predictions from the model has to fit the model. This means that the better the model is the less useful they are outside the organisation it was built to. Models by themselves are utterly useless, the vast majority of them at least.
I understand that’s the idea most people have about companies, machine learning and artificial intelligence, but it’s mostly science fiction or - worse - conspiracy theories.
Oh wow… that was a lot… hope it helps at least.
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I mean if you have a game like hearthstone that gains its profits with its design on putting a limition to getting cards from packs for free, but with a huge money investment in, it will allow you to receive all the content from it.
and this is their main monetisation model wich they developed themselves.
Now blizzard management employees have a meeting since other companies are interested in them because of it’s massive player base and convince them to work together on a idea to maybe improve their AI and also gain some additional information on how humans behave during games.
When playing hearthstone you can determine your opponents emotional state on the game when they hover over cards and see their reactions with their mouse that can get faster when your opponents gets panicked by a certain card or play that you have made.
This increase in card selection speed compared to the start of the game can be a factor to determine a bot’s next play and yeah i know this kind of example is subjective to error since you can also use this information to gain your own profit from it if known.
i know this kind of AI programming has a lot of flaws that can maybe be resolved by time and dedication of mutiple persons instead of a me facing all the aspects on what is possible within a forum post.
Yeah maybe i needed to express it a little more defined , i did not mean the model they use for for their own AI that can be sold since you already stated that it’s hard wired to the game itself, but any additional data you gain from matches on,
1.how long does a match last ± for each individual hearthstone player.
2.did they spend any real money on this game ?
3.how much time does that player spend each day
4.how long did that player play this game in total.
these could be all factors that could be sold to other companies from blizzard along with their battle net name or email to let people receive more specefic recommendations on other games by the data that blizzard has provided for them.
person A plays 3 hours and did not spend money.
person B plays 2 hours a week and did spend 450 euro within 3 years.
perhaps specific adds can be applied to a general crowd that play these sort of games. and combine this with all the extra data that can be gathered about you worldwide then large sample sizes of each individual can be applied in different ways of getting people increase the % of working advertisement since additional information is already gathered about you.
Yes i know these sort of profits are currently adressed quite often in the news in all sort of aspects on sharing personal information without the consent of that individual and yeah there are guidelines like the GDPR .
i have not read that book but by the looks of it it is just a guideline regulation with the hopes that companies will follow those guidelines within it.
But to me it seems that those guidelines are not always followed even by the bigger companies in the world.
//offtopic, but a little related to human behaviour and how we cant always assume that things are being followed by persons on like the GDPR.
this could be a example,
it’s a unofficial death investigator that could just practice autopsy because he wanted to and convinced his surroundings that he was 
For the time being, this is science fiction, and, going back to the thread, you don’t need bots for this.
This is pure data collection. No bots or AI (including machine learning) is needed. Data like that is relevant for that game.
Nope, they can’t do it. It’s a huge security liability and it infringes GDPR quite badly.
But let’s assume that they could for a minute. You are missing a key piece here: player behaviour changes from game to game, often in unpredictable ways. I would love to explain with real examples, but I really can’t, for professional reasons. So, you’ll have to take my word for it (or not ) but it’s a well established fact that player behaviour in a game is good to predict behaviour in that game but not other games.
You mentioned the case of showing advertising and you have a point there. However, the data from the advertising networks is better than the data that Blizzard has as far as advertising goes. You seem to be convinced that moving data around with some ID is enough for good models. It isn’t. Each company logs and uses data differently. In a way, each company has a specific data language that is understood by their own models. What you are referring makes sense for direct marketing, not for what you are mentioning.
Yes, most likely, but not the way that you are suggesting. However they’ll stop doing it or there will be consequences and pretty severe ones. Even a big company can see their dividends flying if they infringe GDPR… stakeholders hate that.
GDPR fines go from 10 million euros or 2% of the worldwide revenue to 20 million euros or 4% of the worldwide revenue, whichever is higher. That means that a company like Blizzard the fine goes from 125.2 to 250.4 million euros, per incident. The dividend yield was much lower than that in previous years.
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I dont know if your proffession/company comes in contact with the GDPR guidelines, but is there actually a active checking from a orginasation on these things ?
Or are there people certified within your work space that check if the GDPR conditions are met ?
Yes, there is. I don’t want to go into details but GDPR was taken very seriously and from data professionals in other companies complaining about the stress of the process, my guess is that a lot of companies did it too.
My gut feeling is that either all big tech companies took it seriously or sooner or later we will hear about some very large fine.
I needed to revive this and maybe it requires it’s own topic on these forums on the subject GDPR, but i dont think the subject is even suited for these forums but anyway,
see below the translation , and the translation of the article is fine.
AVG is the dutch version for the GDPR if it confuses you.
Civil rights organizations in fourteen different EU countries, including the Netherlands, France, Germany and Belgium, have filed complaints about Google’s advertising policy with local privacy authorities.
Reuters news agency writes Tuesday that the organizations, led by the EU-wide group Liberties, want to see the bidding process with which Google sells its ads. That system connects automatically offered advertising space via software with advertisers who are currently looking for space.
“That process could channel users’ personal data to hundreds or thousands of companies,” legal expert Eva Simon of Liberties told Reuters. “This method is clearly illegal under the General Data Protection Regulation (AVG, ed.).”
“The complaints indicate that Realtime Bidding and Google’s Authorized Buyers advertising system can transfer users’ personal data to hundreds, if not thousands of companies,” said Bits of Freedom in a statement on the Liberties site. “This happens without people being aware of this, without consenting or being able to object and without being able to do anything about it.”
The organization also warns that the advertising method would encourage data breaches. Citizens in the fourteen EU countries are called upon to make a complaint on behalf of the organization.
Though the article has no explicit source to the technical explanation.
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We are way off-topic now… but sure…
To the best of my knowledge this information is correct, according to what is consider users’ personal data by GDPR, which is a lot more protective than what most people imagine. Whoever made the policy nailed it really well. Let’s say that I have a system that identifies you with a completely random variable. Since that variable identifies you, it is considered personal data. It’s that restrictive.
I’m not convinced this is true. I don’t recall exactly how this is laid out in GDPR but as far as I know, it is possible for data to be transmitted between business partners. There are even roles and regulations of what they can do. I admit it may be true depending on some technicality but as it is defined here, I find it unlikely.
I wonder if the consent is in some kind of user agreement no one reads. And unless I’m missing a point, it’s false that you can’t do anything about it. You can opt out making your data available in pretty much every single website and mobile device.
I wonder if this sentence
refers to a add being clicked on by the users themselves and as soon as they click on it then google shares that information with the company that bought the advertising space.
But on how much personal information is currently shared is just speculation for me since there has not been any investigation on this matter.
Lets buy some add space then and see what we receive from google
No, no, no. It’s during the bidding process. That information is relevant for the partners to bid. Think of it as an auction for your attention.
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