Remember the old Face Hunter?

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Remember when Face Hunter (at higher levels of play) used to be a thing, where you tried to control the board while dealing as much face damage as possible?

Yea that spirit is completely gone now, now it’s only face face face all the way, if I play Galakrond Shaman, I keep playing against Face Hunter, when I’m playing Face Hunter to counter Galakrond Shaman, I’m only facing (no pun intended) other Face Hunters.

I recently got back into Hearthstone after taking a break, but this is really in no way fun, I’m glad I made the decision not to give Blizzard one more cent through Hearthstone, because designing the game like this, with Galakrond Shaman getting out of control like that and a Face Hunter deck, that ACTUALLY requires less skill than all other decks, not just some random whining on the internet, but ACTUALLY only needing to go face 99% of the time, I’m sorry but whoever at Blizzard was playtesting, clearly needs to be replaced, after this season I’ll probably never play Ranked seriously again, because being stuck at Rank 3 for 3 days in a row while playing the 2 strongest decks at least 4-8 hours a day(and I wouldn’t call myself a bad player) simply because all that I face are face hunters (which I’ve tried to counter multiple times with taunt and healing) and I have no way of going against it, except having lucky draws, because whenever I play anti-face hunter decks, I get matched against everything EXCEPT face hunter (clever Blizzard with their stupid matchmaking algorithm that makes ranked a horrible experience) is more than just stupid. If anyone ever asked why the game is making less money (except the obvious: the hype has been dying for ages), it’s because the game simply isn’t fun to play anymore and the devs aren’t really helping with that

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you know this is purely to make people buy cards right? keep putting people against unfair decks and eventually they will payout in attempt to be able to beat them… the game is designed this way for a reason and that reason is pure greed…

there is 2 options in hearthstone … be one of those people who will pay a small fortune for all the cards so you can react to all the decks when u need to … or simply just stop playing … there is literally thousands of great games out there these days which never ask you to spend a single dollar on them. play them instead you will be much happier and richer for it.

the problem with hearthstone and why its a failed game in my view is streaming and all the websites listing decks, all it takes is for someone to make a deck which performs very well in a game like this and that is it the fun of the game is ruined because everyone is playing the same decks… once you wake up and realise this there really is not any reason to play this game anymore.

in short … you can blame streamers and whales for killing this game.

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Yea, I thought about as much. After returning I saw how much the game has gone to sh*t with ONLY getting certain heroes by pre-ordering the EXPENSIVE version of the next expansion, the new druid hero + Packs bundle, one of the reasons I stopped giving Blizz money is because I saw that the seasonal system with Standard format and the way they put out expansions is just to gain more money because the hype is dying down and the execs at Activision Blizzard are pushing for more profits (because I do not expect the devs to be this greedy) and which is why this game will not get another cent from me unless they make it easier to earn packs. The reason why I started playing again is because it’s the only thing that’s fun to me atm where I can do something else on my other screen. Idk if I would go as far as blaming streamers but yea whales are the best friends of P2W games…

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i usually try to be nice to eveyone but its just amazing how much stupidity is written in those 3 posts

first of all you guys need to know what pay to win is

pay to win means somethign i ONLY can aquire with real money! Nothing in this game isnt for free.

What you mean is Pay to Progress which yess, it is a thing also here in herahtstone but still there are many people who actually know how to spend their resources correctly and can get about everythign they want without spending a dime

also why do you think that you know better then actuall professional game testers? There is NO way that blizzard can even get close to the kind of data we players provide in the first hour of an expansion, not even if they test it for months.

also you play 4-8 hours a day??? with the 2 strongest decks? Try counter decks instead. I belive you if you say youre a decent player but if you play the strongest decks, not only did you netdeck yourself which acording to you guys is then part of the porblem (except you want to tell me that you yourself made the strongest decks yourself and dont share with anyone which would counter the fact that youre stuck at rank 3)

also pls explain to me why the evil algorithm is just against you?
not the other guys, the face hunters or shamans but exactly you?

then the buy card stuff. The face Hunter deck is about 1600 dust … not more

So if you want a strong deck which according to you can basicly beat anything and is brain dead (which it isnt but i admit its the clossest we had in a while) to play then go for it!

@furyior the part with the 2 options, no you dont have to pay a small fortune but you are SOOOOO Correct with the second Part.

I dont know why people dont understand that or wont accept.

This game isnt your job. you dont have to force it on to you.

Why are there 1000ts of people in the internet insisting the game is bad, not fun, too expensive etc etc.

Just stop playing it then.

I LOVE Games but i dont play games i dont enjoy. I even stopped hearsthone and others for a good amount of time until i had reasons to come back

Nobody is puting a gun to your head and force you to it

there are even a ton of card games out there

blizzard doesnt have the monopoly on YOUR Free Time so spend it like oyu want to.

maybe people are happier when they go outside and play with the dog or what ever instead of sitting in front of a laptop !!!not enjoying a game!!! for 4-8 hours.

wth

also belive it or not the net decking is maybe evil but its a mandatory evil.

if you have everyone play their random stuff theres chaos!!! You cant prepare for anything, you have to be prepaired for everything.

you couldnt possible adapt to a meta because there is none

i as well dont like people with more money getting better toys on the same play ground but if i know how to utilize my stuff i can get the same toys as well

what do you mean by heroes for preorder? the Cosmetics? Who the hell cares? its a cosmetic. its fun and it may look good but it doesnt influence the game quality wise

and yes big companies want to make big money

this system isnt new. And its a good thing people pay for the game. If that wouldnt be the chase then blizzard wouldnt continue it and we all had one very cool game less in our libary

for the love of everythign holy

THERE IS NO EVIL IN THE GAME and if you think there is (money, algorithm, bad development, non existent game testing) then do something youll actually enjoy

have a good one merry christmas and love yourself

xoxo

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There is the problem. A deck that can beat all it’s cheap so all f2p can make it.

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It’s not the streamers’ fault Blizzard is making certain decks more powerful in order to see play.
They need money and the best way to get it is to create super mega powerful cards that makes you want to sell your soul for them.
Yes, they could make each expansion to have the same power level and thus there will be more decks for players to play with but that won’t happen because that will be bad for business? How so? Simple: why should I buy the new expansion if my old deck is doing perfectly fine? I can use it to farm the cards I need without spending a single dime.

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Because new toys are fun to play with

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First of all, pay 2 win does not specifically mean you can ONLY aquire it with real money, it’s when people can buy ANYTHING that gives them an advantage over other players (and having most or all cards of the new expac most definitely is an advantage) with real money, besides I don’t want to farm 1-2 packs a day in the hopes of getting a good deck in maybe 2-3 months if I’m lucky with my legendaries, so maybe people can get everything they want but they need A LOT of time for that.
Well it’s because when you look at the cards (or the invoke effect for that matter) that make Galakrond Shaman this strong, you would see why this could get out of hand, 5 mana 2 x 5/6 with taunt is JUST CRAZY, getting a free 2 damage on the board for every invoke and certain cards are still pretty crazy after the nerf.
I have tried counter decks, if you’ve read my post, also I wouldn’t call it netdecking when I see the same 2 decks everyone has and I make my own variation of it (I use maybe 60-70% of the Face Hunter deck everyone else uses and spice it up and there aren’t many cards in the Shaman deck to swap out, but I’ve started to use the Shaman Healing spell before I saw most other people do it to counter the obvious enemy, the face hunter). I have never stated netdecking being a part of the problem, it’s the way this expansion is designed (I don’t know about past ones, I haven’t played in months if not years), in fact all of the times I got Legend were through netdecking.

I also never stated that the algorithm is specifically against me, it works against almost any player by matching them in mirror or counter matchups to keep the winrate at 50% which is complete BS btw (at one point I had 12 hunters in a row and I lost most of them because they had better draws, amazing gameplay, definitely).

I also didn’t state that Face Hunter couldn’t be countered, I just stated that it’s braindead compared to its old iteration, which at least cared AT SOME LEVEL for board control, while this new version goes 99% of the time face, face, face, which is just frustrating to play against, but if you have a lot of money and can make all the good decks, you can change between them if you don’t feel like playing with the current deck, because of frustration (idk if you can trick the algorithm by switching decks, prob not, but when I played a lot, switching decks a lot helped me in gaining ranks).

I am still enjoying the game (also I stated the reason I played HS was because I can do something else besides it and there is no game for me atm, where I can do that except this) I was complaining about the ranked experience and the meta and I also stated I just won’t participate in ranked anymore or just go to rank 5 from this point onwards, because all I seem to face is the same sh*t and 80% of the time I’m losing to better draws, while my enemy makes all kinds of small mistakes (like using card draws last or not leaving his own minion alive in a board control situation), and I play as well as possible (while obviously making a few mistakes here and there, that’s just human) but they still win. I was at Rank 2 and am now back at Rank 5, I tried swapping out cards depending on what my enemies used and even switched a few decks around, but it doesn’t seem to do anything (yes I sucked with the decks at first, but I’m used to them now) AND YES, I do know that randomness is part of a card game, but I never had such a hard time in all the years I played Hearthstone, as I have now. Maybe I lost my edge, but the overwhelming amount of REALLY strong decks that game with this expansion has to be some sort of factor as well.

Blizzard is 100% making enough money to keep this game up and running without pre-orders, there is no need for 80 euro pre-orders for a hero and I’m pissed about that, because I like collecting things in-game (not the cards, because I won’t get all of them anyways without a load of cash) and I have no way of obtaining these without paying as much as a special edition FOR A NEW GAME. This is 100% just to please the great Bobby (Activision merge was the worst decision they ever made) and the investors, because Hearthstone has been down in numbers (but still above most if not all digital card games)

There is a lot of evil in this game, this company, this industry and if you don’t see that, then you might just be as blinded as I am, because I admit I might go overboard on these topics, but ignoring the clear problems that are most definitely existent also isn’t wise.

Merry christmas to you too

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Honestly you seem to be someone to have a discussio with.

I like that.

Ill answer later or tomorrow propperly.

Like you said… its merry christmas

Xoxo

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What you mean is pay to progress. Getting your toys faster. Yes thats definitly a thing. But its not pay to win.

No they dont have to invest so much time. I do it like that and i got at least 74 packs each expansion and i even take over and even tough i got luckyish the last 2 expansions, in dod i got 3 legendaries.

That treeant which i dont play, shuma and alexsteasza which are both ok.

And i still got enough dust from previous expansions to craft 3 legendaries one epic and i still have about 12k dust.

Its all about resourcemanagement.

We agree on the shaman part ill tell you that. Sadly only 3 galakrond are good and none is as good as shaman.

The dragonpack spell is ridiciolus.

Well yes you didnt say that but Furyor heavily implied that.

And i know you didnt say it cant be countered. But i try to farm the roots of evil if possible so that was more of a suggestion.

I still cant figure a single benefit of this algorithm
There are decks with 60+% winrate. Even over a longer period of time. So why doesnt it work there?

So the part where you enjoy the game or not is on you. I can understand the frustration (i have to play against secret mage in wild) when the deck wins instead of the players but well. It happens.

And yes they have enough money.

But why would they do it? A company is made to make money. Whats the point of this argument? Is it only because of that cosmetic?

Because if they dont sell the preorders people will buy the other packages

They want new stuff. Its easy like that.

I can understand that collecting stuff is fun. I tried to get every hero in Hots wich isnt even hard. Even tough i dont enjoy a bunch of them.

Or i farm bosses in bl3 for an extended period of time even tough i allready finished the game. But i want more loot.

And yes i dont think the merge was good. But we wont change that. No matter how hard we complain on a forum they basicly dont read.

And youre definitly right that you wont get everything you want without investing anything.

I mean you realise thats a healthy sytem do you?

I mean why stop here? I always wanted a degree in a number of subjects but i never bothered to go to a university…

And dont tell me its not the same. It follows the same principle.

If you want sonething you have to work gor it