Did anyone else notice the incredible amount of RNG in Battlegrounds? It does feel like sitting in front of a slot machine, hoping to get certain symbols (in this case cards) in a certain sequence (in this case, sequence of tavern sessions). And even that might not be enough because all that luck still requires additional luck in the attacking order… entertaining at the beginning but as dumb as it gets eventually.
isn’t that the point of an auto-battler?
I do not know what an “auto-battler” is, but it is reasonable to deduce from your reply to my first post that your definition of it is “a game type which is as dumb as it gets”. Perhaps your definition is correct and there is nothing that can be done to make it less dumb. I am not so sure about that though…
I shared a similar impression of battlegrounds days ago and then I read somewhere else in this forum a reference to this video Let’s go whaling on youtube that pretty much exposes the logic behind the creation of games like this.
A game based on these principles cannot be honest so, whenever you play, you can expect all sort of trickery put into it for the purpose of making money.
Free-to-play my ars…
Is battlegrounds not free to play? Looks free to play to me like, being as its free to play?
Edit: Typo
You are confusing free-to-play, which is the claim, with free-to-be-played, which is what actually the whole hearthstone is… but obviously you cannot spot the difference from your angle. Good for you.
I can’t either. Would you explain?
Id really like to know as well.
Thank you
Oh, but I have already done my best and, perhaps, the best that could be humanly done in such regards, dear Toad. Human nature is such that we can actually only learn through experience hence words, even the ones most crafted to express a concept, have a limit. In my experience, I can clearly see that I am being played by the game and that is not pleasant. I can also see that every other player is, perhaps with exception of the game owners - which are the true players unless they developed an A.I. capable of playing them too (in which case the A.I. would be the true player). That’s why I don’t really mind to send this game f-off.
Think all you need to do is explain why you believe that battlegrounds in its current form, is not free to play.
…and I think you would be better off by stop telling others what they should be doing.
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Yes, the battlegrounds are a slot machine, it’s not really a secret now is it with a random pool of minions that is presented to you each round.
You can only influence your own decision making to increase the odds of what you want to be presented in the pool.
If you need a specific minion from a tier then you can make the decision not to tier up because a wider pool of minions will decrease your chance in seeing them.
And with the latest patch you can actually decide to go for a more alternative play if to many people are playing the same minion type.
But then again maybe another three players choose to do that also at the exact same turn.
I wouldnt say exposed because these kind of games are a gamble and the effect caused on humans is already known scientifically ( psychologically / neurologically ) with something called dopamine.
The game is free to play, and i must say that hearthstone has done great compared to other mobile games where everything was behind a bottleneck of time or even force to watch a advertisement to continue further.
Some of them had many different currencies in the game for ridiculous prices but they toned down the prices because of a fast decreasing player base.
Hearthstone is carefull with implementing bottlenecks because they dont want to end up like the examples that have fallen before them.
Here you sound confused.
Both free to play and free to be played is the same.
I think you are just sceptical they alter the random effects for you or your opponent in a match to even out the outcome of both players wich isnt happening because of the random effects that apply all the time.
Getting you baron rivendare sniped the third time in a row ? , maybe taunt some more minions upto alter you favour of RNG.
You make it sound like a good thing.
He’s not. He’s talking about being played by the game. Like slot machines, you see?
Yeah i understood , that’s why i provided some information on gambling effects and humans.
There have been many researches towards gambling and human behaviour and this is one of them
://www.nature.com/articles/tp2016256
Ever played Poker? 
I watched the video and tried to read the article on Nature but my opinion is that the article is provided in this conversation as a decoy item since it has little to do with it, while the video makes it appallingly clear that there is basically nothing that the game makers would not do in the attempt to squeeze money from “whales” - including sharing unreadable articles to distract the readers from the actual topic being discussed here.
The biggest consideration to make here is that this type of game (free-to-play or free-to-be-played, as someone else wrote) has no respect for small fishes which are used to feed the system and its purpose (hunting the whales).
I certainly am a small fish so it does not feel good for me, although I do not envy whales because they are played the most (putting money into the game to be competitive… how silly…).
Regarding the article, I think that playing games without spending any money on it has little do with gambling and more to do with gaming in general such as procrastinating from doing something more serious. In which case, it is probably better to either do the something more serious that we are trying to avoid or, at least, look for a game that has more respect for the players.
I kind get behind your thoughts here.
If they continue to release adventures out of expansions more frequently AND you cant craft the cards then ill probably loose interest at all.
I might look into how far wild will be effected but that ill decide when the time is here.
There is another f2p friendly card game reacently in open beta but i am not one onf the people who advertise other games in the Forum of another developer so i wont write the name alltough i assume every one knows what i mean
And it is fun but i have to actually learn the system more.
Last thought.
I dont call People who spend money on their hobby stupid.
Rather they have priorities they dont match with mine.
For example for for me the most stupid thing in the history of ever is smoking
Putting dirt in your mouth and lit it on fire? Yeah sure but let me pay for it pls.
Well still not ny concern… so knock yourself out
I provided this article because the topic got directed in a different direction by Pardog on how blizzard uses ‘‘unknown RNG alterations’’ to influence the outcome of matches so they could influence people on buying more content with cash.
The article is not a decoy… but a insight in how your mind works with the reward section of the brain and how blizzard implements continues rewards for you to keep playing the game.
The video that got linked is just common sence on how most of these games work and it’s nothing new.
On unknown RNG alterations that pardog claims here
Though give me your theory and i can provide you a logical ‘‘step by step’’ solution to disprove or prove your theory.
Though the data has already been gathered by websites but you can prove it yourself.
It just takes some dedication to create a large enough pool of matches to provide the data.
The game is free to play and pay for variety
Respect for the small fishes ?, what ‘‘respect’’ are you expecting from them ?
If it is the latest solo adventure that can cause a gold sink for players that dont want to spend any real cash on it then yeah they need to make a choice between playing the solo adventure or saving up for the next expansion.
Currently there are quite some budget decks to build to reach legend in standard.
Even a new player can craft it without to much play time.
So pay to be competitive does not apply here, and again the game is free to play and pay for variety
Though it was a decision from probably marketing to let the full solo adventure cost more gold then usual by dividing it into a war between two stories.
Actually… I have done some serious study on this (probably the only positive benefit that I got from Hearthstone… LOL) because it bothers me that is way too easy to ask for a proof when it is impossible or extremely difficult to provide one.
As a matter of fact, nothing can tell you that a “RNG system” is unfair with absolute certainty but guess what, statistics can give you a probability of its fairness (whereas being unfair means explicitly cheating).
There is a particular test, called Chi-squared test. The theory and the details of how it can be applied to Hearthstone goes beyond the scope of this forum and/or my participation to this conversation but everyone who needs to know and understand what it is can look for it on Google, study and make his/her own idea about it as I did. Science says that such tests can tell you how likely is for a RNG system to cheat and that’s the best answer I could be looking for.
I keep track of my battleground games and modelled the outcomes of a sufficient number of events to have a probability of unfairness of 98.85879633%, that means that the probability that in the last couple of weeks I have been extremely unlucky is about 1.14120367%.
It is not certainty, but it is far enough for me.
Of course, my model could be biased somehow, but I trust my evaluation in producing it. I do not ask anyone else to trust it though - in fact, I invite you and everybody else who is interested in studying the maths and doing the test by yourself. Cheers
well ok … you put some owrk in it … give you that.
i dont ask for proof because youre right thats nearly impossible
But can i ask you what in your oppinion is the evidence for that to happen specificly? I mean i could be affected by that alltough i usually dont think too much about it but id really would like to know
maybe i see something simmilar
thx