Or what makes the infamous Goat composition so strong?
If pros with god aim do not need dps and prefer to take tanks and healers only, then maybe tanks do too much damage and replace dps characters!
Maybe the solution to Goats instead of imagining heroes to counter it, would just to weaken its core. What if Reinhardt was doing less damage with hammer swings and firestrikes, maybe no more one shot charge but longer stun instead and ability to canceled it? Faster ultimate charge?
Other example, Zarya is a beast while charged. What if she had more emphasis on protecting her teammates instead? So less damage for more / stronger bubbles? Bubbles affected by charge level?
IMO tanks’ role should be to protect their healers and dps and enable them, not do most of the team’s damage.
If they couldn’t kill things that fast, maybe we’d see dps being played to actually get damage and the end of Goats?
What do you think?
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Or maybe the pros with their god awareness and decision making are the only ones making good use of tanks. That’s why GOATs only exists in GM and M.
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They are doing enough damage to compare to a GM dps… because dps are balanced around the fact that they will have perfect aiming and tanks just get perfect and consistent dmg dealing build in them.
I dont think they do a lot of dmg, but they do deal good dmg for the amount of a mechanical skill that takes to get that damage going.
If tanks did lower damage that would cure GOATS, but it would also kill the tank role, since extremely few people right now actually want to do the job of a tank.
Have you read the changes on the PTR before posting OP?
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In every game I’ve played so far, tanks and healers haven’t been super popular roles.
If the tanks doesn’t deal enough damage to effectively duel a dps it will feel rather bad to them. Just look at how much tank players have complained about reaper.
It’s not like they out damage the dps heroes, but they just have more health and defensive abilities they can cycle between to out sustain the dps.
On top of that, if you have good focus fire with a tank heavy comp, the stacked damage will still kill anything really fast.
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Of course they would need quite big tweaks. I was not talking about straight nerfing their damage. Compensate with more defensive abilities for them and their teammates. I mean, that’s the role of a tank imo.
Sure, but that might cause another problem: you’d have to raise the health of tanks so they don’t get focused down in two seconds, and when you do that you slow the whole game down. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, the bad thing is that tanks become unkillable, which turns every match into one long brawl. Tanks would also be unable to fight back, so they’d be even more reliant on team play (something that doesn’t exist at all levels of play).
If you reduced the damage on tanks you’d need to give them some way to save themselves from danger (similar to what most supports have), like an “eject button”, otherwise they’d be a big bag of ult charge like Roadhog. I think the tank role in Overwatch is only partially about defence, the other part is being the core of the team: that means having powerful supporting abilities to combo with, or high mobility to initiate fights.
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only ONE obv counter
Its like with pharah.
When it was only wido - every1 was abuse it bcz not everyone plays on widow (mcre and soldier is like low counter)
when ashe was added - pool or players that can play at least on one of these counters raised, so pharah now is not killing machine as it was
Same with goats, untill theres only one reaper in game - goats would live forever.
And idiots blizzard, instead of adding one more tank killer - they add another op guy, who will make tanks immortal when they all run on point and stay together
rein doing less damage would be pretty damn bad, he is not only a big target but also has to get close to his enemies to do some kind of damage, and you have to land the Firestrike in order for it to do something. His Charge not being one hit would make it worse than it already is, and I don’t think having the possibility to cancel it would make it better. Zarya is a beast while charged, which is the Reward for watching out for your mates and do more than just spam M2. i agree that it should be the Dps job to do damage but weakening Tanks would make them more agonizing to play than they already are. Also only high skill coordinated players really play GOATS, so the minority of the game, like master and above I would say.
Junkrat, Reaper and hell even Sym when she is fully charged are good against tanks.
Then just ult them and win the team fight and objective by pressing Q.
junk counter goats? maybe only on bronze when enemy team stay on gates and wait when he destroy all their shield for half nimute
reaper is the ONLY ONE and with some teamplay he die fast af
sym? to counter goats? realy? only if tanks dumb enough to let her shoot for 15 seconds
they only tank counter is mirror or reaper, but as i said above - hes only one vs 3 and simply can be focused
I agree that tanks role is protecting their team and not doing dmg but if you think about it the dps job is not doing damage as well, I know it sounds weird but let me explain…
The tanks job is making space and protecting their team (That’s also the reason for the high aoe damage in close range)
The support job is help the team survive
And the dps job is bringing utility to get rid of the enemies…
Mei can freeze people, flankers deal with the support, Snipers get fast burst damage and so on…
The reason goats is such a strong meta is because while it is counterable the survivability of the team is so high it sometimes hard to counter it on time…
Also the goat counters are ironically enough most of underused heroes in the game…
Symmetra,Bastion,Reaper,Mei & Roadhog…
True, I find it funny when my friends in plat start complaining about goats and doing stupid things like spamming DeleteBrig on my discord server.
They think they are god tier because they are High plat and I am around low-mid gold lol. Idiots.
If they didn’t do too much damage goats wouldn’t be a thing. To put it into perspective Zarya is a better DPS than 80% of the DPS characters.
I wouldn’t care too much about what they think. A lot of people start getting a superiority complex when they are being told they are slightly above average at something 