I never really understand when people say she needs accuracy.
To me she seems to have some what of a shotgun like spread to her pistols, it’s like you can’t miss if you aim in the general direction of the enemy, much like reaper.
When you’re up close and personal, a head shot isn’t a lot of effort, maybe vs a genji or similar, otherwise I’d like to see her need more accuracy.
Ehh… I hope you understand that even if you hit few bullets its pretty bad compared when you aim well. Sure using reaper from long rage with the shotgun spread makes sure you wont miss. You always hit. Do you know how much dps reaper does from long range? I cant be arsed to actually calculate averages here but its something like 5. Woo I dont miss Im a god now, no aim required. I do 5 dps Im the god now woooooooooooooooo.
And being in close range its actually pretty hard to track because objects moves really fast on your screen. Slightest movement that you cant predict needs huge adjustment to your aim. Sure if people stand still its easy to aim. When talking about hero balance you cant count in low bronze where people go randomly afk and stand still.
Yes I understand there is fall off damage in the game.
I posted this before in another thread what if shields where actually physical objects. Genji, Tracer, and Doomfist can’t just go soaring past until they actually deal with the Shield.
Choke points will actually become defensible again. I don’t know about everybody else but I hate defense its almost way to easy to either get by the Tank or just destroy them courtesy Hanzo and Widow’s 120 body shot.
At this stage of the game Tanks are almost useless. The only tank that can even make a dent in the Dps line up is RoadHog and that’s only because he can heal himself.
In short it sucks to play anything other than the damage class.
And that’s where I stop reading,
thank you and goodnight.
I was about to answer you and saw that…
Soldier and Mcree can too, and from way further than Tracer.
You know why this argument is invalid ? Because if you assume the player is aimbotting, every hitscan character needs a huge nerf right now.
And you forget a “small detail” that is even aimbotting, Tracer can’t full headshot someone due to weapon spread, unless you’re afk and she hugs you, but at this point any character in the game will kill you in 1 clip.
It’s more Mei being so bad as a pure DPS character than Tracer being OP. Mei has so awkward delay before firing AND after, and for now she still has dumb falloff range, so does litterally nothing from midlle to long range (getting buffed on PBE, she’s getting her faloff range removed btw, was time).
It’s more impressive to see Mei fill up the kilfeed instead of Soldier, Mccree, Doomfist, Zarya, Hanzo, Widow, Zen, Sombra, Pharah, Raodhog, Genji, DVa, etc…
Heck, it’s even impressive to just see Mei in the team roster !!!
That’s basically same as first point, if you assume the Tracer hits her full clip most of the time, then Soldier and Mcree are also broken if not more.
If you can’t oneshot Tracer after hooking, that one is on you, not on Tracer being OP. You don’t even need to hit the hook to kill her. It’s overall a skilled matchup. Tracer has opportunities, but so does Roadhog.
I sure see a lot of symmetras lately, so that’s definitely not a dumb scenario to consider. She’s fun to play and offers interesting ways to go around choke points.
Idk, when I see that Hanzo wipes half of the team every 8 seconds, I think a character that needs to use all her dashes and her 12 sec cd recal to kill 1 support is fairly balanced. If she can freely dash past your team and kill you before recalling, then that’s on you and your team. If your tanks react fast enough (Zarya, DVA, Hog’s hook), she can’t just do that.
But that would be assuming to be communicating with your team (that’s how you deal with any of the dive comps characters btw, you need communication else their mobility will capitalize on your lack of coordination).
Overall, I think right now due to late popular comps, Tracer isn’t in that good of a spot. There are just so many things around that destroy her / prevent her from even scratching a support (Sym’s turrets, Brigitte’s armour for example). She’s still Tracer, so if you miss 15 clips when she has no dash, she sure will kill you, but if you need a DPS just go Hanzo he’ll do her work 500 times better with less effort in aim, and without the need to dive the whole ennemy team.
McCree = death
Genji= forces recall
Ana = death
Roadhog = death
hhahahahah good joke dude
yet it still doesn’t change the fact that you’re not forced to be dead accurate like mccree and widowmaker and zarya and the new symmetra
hell even soldier requires more aim than tracer
everyone saying that tracer is so hard and bla bla , but in reality she probably a 3 out of 5 start hero at best , because you can adada people to death so easily and you always have the “safe word” and her high overall mobility let her get away with many mistakes other heroes getting punished for
McCree can cover 13 meters of stun ground around himself. McCree can one shot tracer with a hs which means that Tracer can’t continuously engage a McCree within 13 meters of him. Without using up a blink to get away for when he rolls
Genji has his shuriken +dash which does around 80 damage forcing a recall from most tracer players
Ana has her sleep dart which would already be death but she also has her grenade which if used close enough gives both herself health and forces Tracer to recall if she only just has been dealt just a bit of chip damage
Roadhog has his hook combo which one shots tracer. Add to this that he has his m2 that can one shot tracer or force a recall in most cases
I don’t like to rank insult but please
Why would you engage a character that can run away from you ? The whole point of complaining about tracer is that she’s effective when she engages you.
Once she does the above mentioned characters can kill her
mccree doesn’t oneshot nobody.
He can stun + HS, which is a gamble if the stun will actually works or not.
Tracer is not roadhog, and you can miss the HS, that means you now have 0 mobility, 0 cooldowns and are a free kill, or close to it.
Sorry, 140 hp of damage if I recall correctly which means that any chip damage makes tracer fall into that range.
Also yes you can miss your hook but if you are Roadhog player who’s worth his salt then you’ll at least force a blink out. This gives her less mobility which you can use to kill her with m2
mcree does 120 and 70.
tracer can easily predict and dodge mccree flash and do it super consistaent
flash travel time is so long that you can react to it unless you’re literally in his face
mccree is not at all a counter to tracer because flashbang is way to inncosistent and easily dodge by tracer while tracer can 1 clip him without even trying because how big his hitbox and how slow his movement speed
if tracer dies to mccree , it’s 100% tracer fault
tracer hitbox is so small and she got blink , tracer can easily win a 1v1 against genji and force him to retreat or die , i really doing my best to take you serious because you brought up genji as a counter to tracer
once again tracer can easily dodge the sleep dort ,it’s a projectile just like mccree flash and it’s take quite some time to travel as long as you’re not sleeping on the keyboard you can dodge the sleep dort
tracer idea against anna , is to keep distance and deal damage to her forcing her to use grande , and than get close and perosnally with her and kill her
anna got no mobility and her movement speed is really slow making her fairly easy target after you baited out the nade
and if you die to dort, is once against your fault and this anna 100% deserve this kill , and btw it’s requires so much skills to kill tracer with dot that you bring it up is so funny
you not only need to hit her with the dot , that tracer can easily dodge , you need to time your attack and nade perfectly so tracer wont be ably to recall
there’s so much going into that ,that if you die to it you should praise the anna for how good she’s
i can dodge and predict roadhog with my mccree and you telling me you cant with tracer blink and crazy movement speed ? hahah so why you even arguing if you struggling with that ???
every thing you brought tracer can dodge fairly easily the only thing tracer cant “dodge” is briggite , but she can play around her
Again, just chip damage
I don’t know if this is due to the lack of experience but at your rank there is no ‘predicting’, again this might sound insulting but even in diamond you’ll rarely find Tracer players predict flash bangs. Maybe Genji players but not Tracers
I didn’t say that Genji is able to kill tracer but an experienced Genji forces a recall out of tracer making her vulnerable to everyone else. At the same time a good Genji will be able to avoid getting one clipped because saying that Tracers one clip people is all well and good but it needs to actually happen
Ana does 70 damage a hit, after two hits Tracer is forced to recall. During this time tracer will most likely have used at least one blink, If Ana is able to recall the general area were Tracer is going to pop up she can walk towards it and sleep/'nade her
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i can dodge and predict roadhog with my mccree and you telling me you cant with tracer blink and crazy movement speed ? hahah so why you even arguing if you struggling with that ???
every thing you brought tracer can dodge fairly easily the only thing tracer cant “dodge” is briggite , but she can play around her [/quote] Just because Roadhog players at your skill lvl aren’t able to use him properly doesn’t mean that the rest can’t.
Like 99% of threads, there is literally 0 reasons to keep arguing, everyone has his wrong/right ideas, and gg.
I just want to say they didn’t create brigitte to counter roadhog or soldier, but DIVE heroes. BECAUSE MOBILITY IS OP IN OW.
you using rein to rank up and you talking about my rank ? how about you dont play the hero with the highest winrate-pickrate ratio in the game and than speak about my rank ? i can take rein and get to gm fairly easily
so yes so you know as someone who played tracer with somewhat successes you can dodge mccree flash and you can predict it really easily
how can you argue with me about tracer or mccree when the only hero you play ins rein ???
“but” “but an eprience” this words you using in order to base your argument are funny , if genji and tracer have the same “experience” tracer is the favored one in that match up
and if you look that way , tracer is pretty much a better version of genji
anna does 70 damage per hit , tracer got 150 hp meaning she needs 3 hits , tracer get recall meaning anna need to hit 5 perfect shots in order to kill her
while tracer need 1 clip , or if she dont have the aim 2 clips
you realize that majority of tracer blinking behind you , so you cant flick easily into her blink location
so there’s pretty luck involved unless you’re some kinda demonic god that can do a 360 perfect flick , that a human being cant ,giving tracer a huge edge
“at your skill level” hahaha so you’re losing the arugment because your points are not true and you realize that so you bring up the safe word - your rank
you’re a barely a diamond and i was 2.8k , s it’s just 400 sr difference and you rank shaming me hahah ,you’re realize that you’re lose streak away from plat and you acting like you’re some kinda top 500 ? so cut that bs away and accept that you’re really lacking some “practice” game knowledge
and if you want to play this game , tracer was for a really long time in the top most picked heroes in OWL , while her pickrate dropped she picked more than other 90% of the dps including your genji , hog ,junkrat ,anna
if they’re such a big counters , why top players picking heroes like widowmaker and dva and not hog or mccree or haha genji
small hint - because they’re not counters to her
Yes, this season I’ve played lots of Rein how observant of you. That doesn’t in anyway change my point though if you were somewhat successful with Tracer then you wouldn’t be were you are now. You talking about how you could easily get to GM with Rein is basically facilitating that you have no clue how the game works
I say the word ‘experienced’ because every hero has a different skill floors, if you haven’t reached the skill floor of your hero then how are you supposed to beat someone who has reached the skill floor of a character with a lower skill floor ?
It’s not hard to understand that Junkrat is easy to pick up and tracer is hard to pick up. If you pick up Junkrat for the first time then your chance of beating someone who has just picked up tracer are marginally higher than if you both played for a while.
Also I’d like to see your statistics because Genji beats out Tracer in every rank both in terms of win rate and pick rate
You don’t seem to have understood what I said so I recommend that you read it again.
You do know that if Tracer blinks behind Ana she would be blinking straight into Ana’s team
I’d show you my rank history but at this point your just wasting my time so I’ll sum it up for you
Yes, rank shows experience, your arguments so far is that platinum tracer players are statistically better of than people who play other heroes, well guess what mate, Tracer has a 48.9 % win rate. In terms of win rate she is 4th from the complete bottom it’s only in diamond and above that her win rate goes above 50%
Yes, for the last 6 seasons I’ve consistently been in mid diamond, this is mainly because if you look at the amount of time that I put in competitive it’s been going down by the season. I’ll probably reach for mid master because the LFG system makes it worth playing the game again
I’m also not saying that I’m a top 500 player as I’m not but I know just a tad more than someone who exclaims that Tracer is op.
You don’t play in the owl, I don’t play in the owl. My advice comes from someone who doesn’t play in the owl to someone who also doesn’t play in the owl.
Actually D.va and widow have a 2.93% and 6.20% respectively compared to McCree, Roadhog and Genji with 2.18%, 1.33% and 4.23% respectively
All of them are pretty much off meta picks compared to Hanzo, Zarya, Zenyatta, Reinhardt and mercy which all have pick rates over 10% (Yes, hanzo has a 9.8 but that’s pretty much 10)
Small hint - at your rank, they are