Crowd control and brigitte

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887

I believe he was holding his shield up to avoid being whipshot out of the map because of how close to the edge he was. You also talked about mcree, and the thing about that is that regardless the fact that its much easier to hit a shield bash that it is to hit a flashbang, mcree can only kill and that’s its only job to kill and protect the healers from flankers, and Brig can do that even better and heal on top of that and even has a shield to absorb some damage

888

Also taking something out from a team fight and calling it 1v1 is like f*cking retarded af.

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889

Let’s keep it civilized, but if you actually watch the clip you will see its pretty much a 1v1 with no outside interaction from any of the teams.

890

Yeah, I do think Brigitte needs tuning down and McCree needs some help so they are closer to each other in ther effectivness when it comes to killing flankers. But that clip doesn’t justify any changes, since it was just a mistake with xQc’s usual “I am too much of a god to be faulty” attitude.

891

That fight was one whereby XQC started the fight at 496 hp and held his shield up doing nothing until 300 hp.
He did Earth Shatter the Brig which only does 50 dmg to each person caught in the shatter.
On top of that he missed his fire strike (that does 100dmg), and the Brig was in the middle of a rally.
The Rein did not use his charge to pin her, and then he asks “You think this is okay ?” That video like I said earlier was one of his lower performance sides.

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892

I think Brig should only be able to self heal for a short period after using her ‘E’ ‘Repair Pack’ ability on an ally… otherwise she can just over extend and push most ground bound heroes and dominate the battle.

893

Good news guys, they listened (not) and released a mobile tank with two CC abilities :unamused: :

  • Combine mobile form (hamster ball) with grapling hook and anything you hit get’s knocked back.
  • Drop from an elevated object in normal form or mobile form and you can press X to knock people in the air.

:angry:

edit: ah his ultimate also knocks enemies because two knocks weren’t enough already.

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894

The post above is not mine but is one of many. This don’t make a claim on how to fix the problem but identifies whats broken. I have herd too many complaints and i can see the game dying. Fix this and i believe it will help. Note: I am in silver. I know many people in GM.

895

Släng dig i väggen!

Seriously… it’s getting old.

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896

My view may be skewed a bit (because I don’t play comp), but I don’t see the problem people have with Bridgette? CC is something that is a part of OW, so how is Brig a problem?

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897

The argument is that her stun is easy to hit while having little risk and a very high reward (the brig combo of 150 damage) on a short cooldown. The other problem that people have is how tanky she is and how tanky she makes her team through rally.

898

Comp is ruined for me after Brig. QP is out of the question, Mystery heroes is who get first Brigitte wins, deathmatch is ruined by Brigitte! There is nothing else left for me in this game. Gods how much i hate her. I hate her stupid face, her voice, her toolkit. Never hated another fictional character more then her.
I regret buying this game…

899

i would argue with the “little risk” because of heroes like junkrat ,widowmaker and phara and hanzo

the main and only problem with briggite is that she’s put in the support category while she’s clearly not

900

People really don’t like her stuns and the fact she hard counters yolo and dive playstyles meant players have deified her as some sort of unstoppable goddess with all sorts of misconceptions such as…

  1. She is tanky. She really isn’t. 200hp+50 armor to put it in perspective is less then mercy with a torb armor upgrade which is hardly anyone’s definition of tank. She can be one shotted by snipers easily and loses in brawls to most characters that don’t simply let her walk up to them.
    Finally her requirement to being in melee exposes her to constant danger of being melted through focus fire. Players that don’t focus down the brigitte until she is swinging maces in their faces and have the gall to complain about her tankiness have greatly contributed to the brig myth of invincibility.

  2. She wins any 1v1 D: She really doesn’t, loses against 3/4 of the roster. If you’re a mobile champion, use your mobility and she can’t touch you whilst being unable to heal herself. If you’re a dps, use terrain and focus her down so she can’t reach you. For brigitte the difficulty comes from the approach, if you let her move freely as she wills then you deserve the mace in the face.
    Which brings me to…

  3. Brigitte is too easy! No skill! etc. Well i won’t dispute that she isn’t a hard hero to play so there’s a kernel of truth there. On the other hand when players play in a way to cater to brigitte’s strengths (melee brawls) and don’t exploit her weaknesses (she actually has to get into melee range or is useless, and her stun is her dash so either she walks slowly and stuns you or you force her to use her stun early to close the gap and can then brawl with her with no fear of cc), it’s hard to feel sorry for these folks when they over dramatize things and scream for nerfs on a character that is actually barely useable in higher ranks.
    Pros barely use Brigitte, which goes against the myth of easy all powerful Brigitte, the more the enemy team is organized and actually pays attention to her, the harder it becomes to play Brigitte since it’s all about positioning.
    Versus a team of players who run around like headless chickens, don’t coordinate and just froth at the mouth when killed by brigitte (and 150 hp combo isn’t enough to kill anyone, even a tracer ffs, before they can recover and escape so people acting like THAT is somehow a problem in a game where being one shotted by snipers is a thing are being very selective in their raging) then yeah of course it’s going to seem like Brigitte is an unstoppable juggernaught because you’re not exploiting her weak spots whilst playing to her strengths. You might as well pop out of cover and afk in front of an enemy widow for the same effect.

  4. Brigitte is a support! Supports shouldn’t be able to beat my pro skills!
    Anna, Zen, Moira say hi. But Brigitte is a hybrid character, her support abilities are actually super mediocre, good for a quick save but very poor having to heal up a team.

I could go on but point is… Yeah there’s a lot of exaggerations and myths around Brigitte. She is also one of the few champions to give divers and flanker champions some real headaches and that’s something they simply ain’t used to, especially after the dive meta was so popular for so long and they got comfortable from it.
It’s honestly hard to tell the situation for Brigitte atm, so many people just despise her and want her nerfed to the ground yet it’s clear they do so for less then logical reasons and don’t bother to understand the character’s many weaknesses nor do they want to learn how to exploit her.

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901

For comparison to other heroes to show why she is currently OP in a non-pro competitive/ quickplay:

Reinhardt swings his hammer for 75 damage (1 swing per 0.9 seconds) RANGE: 5 meters while Bridgitte swings her flail for 35 damage (1 swing per 0.6 seconds) RANGE: 6 meters. Her stun lasts for 1 sec (inflicts 50 damage) while McCree’s lasts for only 0.7 second (inflicts 25 damage) (Her stun’s cooldown is 6 secs while McCree’s is 10 seconds.)

Imo blizzard should change Bridgitte’s flail swings to 1 swing per 0.75-0.8 seconds (I’m sure you all know how annoying it is to be trapped inside a room with her whipping your butt off while healing herself and you just can’t do anything against her), her stun should only inflict 25 damage, cooldown of 10 seconds and should only lasts for 0.7 seconds similar to McCree’s and her stun SHOULD NOT be able to stun a charging Reinhardt. The concept of her Whip Shot is to counter the “dive meta”, but currently, shield bash stun + whip shot is too OP as it can kill ANY character with 200HP or less. With this in mind, maybe blizz can change the damage of Whip Shot from 70 to something like “30 initial damage + additional X damage for every meter stretched” so you can’t just stun genji and whipshot him to death when he dashes in.

902

Just remove brigitte … the game was already unfun with the addition of sombra and doomfist.

903

Hello heroes !

So here is my story, when I learned about Overwatch I waited patiently for its release, especially after playing its beta, I was very overwhelmed by its uniqueness; its graphics, its heroes. I learned to play many heroes, and I could not master few other heroes, but I was never angry for being killed by a player who played I hero I don’t master.
Over the last two years I started becoming frustrated by the new heroes added and who just broke the gameplay of my heroes. I mean I used to play bastion a lot, but Sombra made me stop playing it. then I played moira, I enjoyed it a lot, especially because I play hybrid classes on World of Warcraft. and even she was nerfed, I still continued playing it and still enjoy it. but then came Doomfist and I started feeling the frustration, being cut, kicked, and above failing to kill him at 3-5 HP because his passive regeneration. then came Brigitte, and this totally broke the game for me. I don’t enjoy the game at all now, it is not the same game I have bought two years ago. Original heroes that I have bought are being hammered by a single hero who has everything; cut, bump, self healing, has a shield, good dps, distant attack who can finish Pharah, hanzo and widow, can heal its allies, can place a shield on them, can see allies behind walls , I played it for few days, it was very easy to learn … then they went and made Symetra 3.0 … it was my favorite defense hero … R.I.P

Now, seriously I don’t enjoy a bit of the current game, I even feel this is another game, not the one I have loved two years ago. Of course there was some problems with some heroes, most of them were fixed, but I don’t understand why the new heroes are packed with CC abilities …

Anyway I am not expecting the game to go back to its initial version, but it makes me sad, such a beautiful game turned into a smash/bash/cut/shield thing …

cheers.

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904

Agreed, the game is becoming easier and more annoying for actually decent players. Blizzard aren’t going to do much other than add even more easier heroes with stupid abilities. I started playing just after Summer Games 2017, and it was so much fun. Then from when Moira got added not long after, it slowly just got frustrating. I’m less annoyed with Symm now cause she requires aim, which I think is a big factor in determining whether a character requires skill or not.

However, nothing will change no matter how much the community complains. There will still be people who complain that they don’t have the time to practise harder heroes, and Blizzard would rather focus on meeting the needs of the people who play the game very few times a week, rather than people who play very often.

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905

lol it’s only been 2 years and people already want Overwatch classic, the time of overpowered Genji and McCree and useless Widow/Phara

906

you really dont remeber how ow was in the beta or you just bs us and never played the beta all together

first of all in the beta bastion had a shield and genji had a bleeding effect to his swift strike (things that make me think 3 times before buying OW later on)

second in realease , widowmaker used to deal 150 body shot and 300 headshot

meaning if she get damage boosted by mercy (btw it’s was 50% back in the days )

she could 1 shot body shot every hero in the game

and combine that with her insane charge time speed and the fact she didnt have any voice lines for her ults (meaning you dk when she used it )

you pretty much get widowwatch

that was fun ? a hero who easily 1 shot your whole team ?

yeah dude nah i stick with the CC thank you very much