so waiting in line for your mc’donalds order or grocery shopping is socialist?, I thought it was good manners…
It’s socialist if the state decides that for the “better experience for all” 1 piece of horse dung should be eaten per 1 piece of bread, hence there are line of people waiting for bread cause nobody wants to eat horse sheet.
betterment of the thing they love E.G playing a role that is less favourable for a better game experience for all
So, did role lock help with that? Is the game experience better for all? Do people who hated the game love it now?
no, I would rather everyone gets what they want, unfortunately this isn’t happy sparkle wonder world, and compromises have to be made, the game needs stability for longevity and balance, queue times are the compromise
So, previously, if you wanted to play tank you played tank, you wanted to play DPS you played DPS, etc. Now you can’t do that. What sort of compromise is it?
in socialism, you don’t have a choice, you need bread and you will eat horsesheet to get it or you will be punished
in Overwatch, you are a consumer, you get the choice to consume, or not, if you don’t like eating horsesheet, then that’s fine, no bread for you, but have a nice day
I and many others used to hate being the only tank or healer on a team of 5 instalock DPS which meant automatic loss, so yeah I hated the game before RQ, now I love it, as do many others
if I want to play tank, I queue for tank, if I want to play DPS, I queue for DPS, the compromise is a slight reduction in on the fly hero choice, and a longer wait time
222 is a disciplined stable format, bringing a bit of order to the chaos of the previous system, im not wrong, because it is my take on things, it is neither correct nor incorrect, you just simply don’t like what I have to say because it is counter to your argument
I think that is the real problem. The 2-2-2 fans logic is that they think game is better if only teams of 2-2-2 play. That is not true at all. We had 4 classes of characters before, we had defence and offence. Nobody ever said you need 2 tanks or 2 supports. Team that has 5 DPS and 1 healer can sometime destroy “balanced” 2-2-2 team and have hell of a fun time doing it.
All the people who advocate for 2-2-2 don’t like this game!
I don’t have a problem myself with the 2-2-2, but this isn’t the main issue of this thread, so I prefer not to talk about it right now, the 10 min wait for DPS is real bad.
Explain this to me. Why did you hate being the only tank/support? Because you were bad at it and needed a helping hand? One good support can have more of an impact on the team than two mediocre ones. Even if that’s not the case, I still don’t get why being 1 of a class is “not fun”.
And don’t forget the opposing team would rarely be more balanced than yours, so it’s not the case of “automatic loss”. Usually it’s the team with most whiners that lose.
this is an argument from people who like and hate the system, unfortunately (for you) the system is here and its not going away, so you have a choice, like it, or lump it, no amount of complaining here will change it, so you can stay, or leave its totally up to you
yeah, sometimes, a 1 in 1000 chance at surviving c4ncer is not good odds and not very fun at all for the 999 in 1000…
the game is constantly changing, people like and dislike the game in flux, I disliked it, now I like it, vice verca for you, so currently I like the game, what you like is what the game used to be, and it no longer is, so again you have the choice to stay or leave
that’s fine, the 10 minute wait for DPS sucks, sure, I concede that point, but 4 hours worth of gaming time wasted through constant losses due to a team of instalock DPS is far worse in my opinion…
ok, if you are a solo tank without healer and 5 dps, guess what? you’re a massive target with no healing to back you up so you cant tank properly, you die, then all the DPS dies because they have no tank
if you are a solo healer, you have no protection, you get focused first with nothing to hide behind or bully for you, then all the DPS die because they have no healing
being 1 of a class without the corresponding support from the other 2 classes is not fun, because its nothing but a respawn simulator
and no, often times the opposing team would be a perfectly balanced 222, or a solo tank, 2 heal, 3 dps, both of which would roll you in 10 seconds flat
Thing is, even before the role queue system the insta-lock DPS players issue wasn’t that bad compared to waiting 10 minutes.
Sure sometimes you got 3-4 DPS in a team, but you could still enter games pretty fast.
The role queue system is great for tank/support players, but the majority are the DPS players, so the majority is being ‘punished’, which is a problem.
ok, if you are a solo tank without healer and 5 dps, guess what? you’re a massive target with no healing to back you up so you cant tank properly, you die, then all the DPS dies because they have no tank
if you are a solo healer, you have no protection, you get focused first with nothing to hide behind or bully for you, then all the DPS die because they have no healing
being 1 of a class without the corresponding support from the other 2 classes is not fun, because its nothing but a respawn simulator
Has it ever occured to you that you might be just not that good at the game? Because it’s the tanks and supports that supposed to support DPS, not the other way around. Supports in particular need no DPS bodyguards to function. They supposed to stay behind the lines and avoid getting shot. They have kits especially designed for that. But I’ve seen some mediocre supports that blamed DPS for not “protecting” them. I bet they were in favor of 2-2-2.
might not have been bad for you, but for me it was 5 instalock DPS every match… once had a 25 loss streak because of it
I am as good at the game as my rank denotes, and you are wrong, tanks and supports are not there at the whim of the DPS players ( very self absorbed mindset btw) it is a trifecta
tanks need supports and DPS to tank effectively , supports need tanks and DPS to support effectively, and DPS need tanks and support to DPS effectively (unless you are top 1% ranked players, and even pros, because in case you diddnt notice, before GOATS the pros used to always play some variety of 2-2-2
ive seen Mediocre DPS blame supports for them not being healed, and blame tanks for not being protected, this argument is asinine every role, needs the other role to work at its best, hence why 222 is necessary, because tank needs support needs DPS needs Tank etc etc ad infinitum
P.S ever hear of the two most popular DPS roles tracer and genji? I.E flankers, whose soul purpose is to get into the backline and take out the support players? what are supports who are (hiding in the back) supposed to do against them?.. ohh right, they need PROTECTION FROM TANKS AND DPS PLAYERS!
this Heinz guy never plays anything other than DPS… check his profile, even when he plays tank or support, he plays DPS, Roadhog and Zen respectively… this is why he has no idea on why 222 is necessary…
im guessing he is just a DPS main who is impatient and incapable of waiting his turn… and so turned to the tank and support roles for the lower queue times but refused to actually fulfil the purpose of those roles by picking arguable the most DPS like heros within that class…
then has the gaul to come here and complain about the long wait times without the slightest thought given to the fact that he is exactly the type of player which has cased 222 to be necessary, and is currently causing the massive DPS wait times… give me a break
What you guys think about DPS players, viable composition (2-2-2, 3-3, 4-1-1) or what role user XYZ is playing in his profile has NOTHING to do with this thread, nothing.
The fact that YOU want to play other roles than DPS, or wait 10 minutes every game doesn’t mean this isn’t a problem for many others who only want to play DPS characters.
Specially when the majority of players ARE the DPS players.
It has nothing to do with what you think about these players, what you think doesn’t have any business with this issue, the only thing that matters is that they wait 10 minutes in order to enjoy their favorite role, this is a problem no matter how you spin it.
And I’d love to hear with a dev can say about this issue.
Get over yourself and grow up kid. You and your topic are utterly irrelevant. If you and others who refuse to play anything other than dps whine about queue times, you only have yourself to blame.
so yes, your profile has everything to do with it. Viable comps (of which 411isn’t), has everything to do with it.
it’s because of whining dps we had to get role q introduced in the first place.
blizzard already stated they’ve gotten toxicity down and majority positive responses from role q, so you don’t matter
I haven’t played DPS in quick play or comp since role q activated…
if I want to play DPS i just go-to classic in the arcade.
im f###### tired… one time I waited for 15m and we won volskaya in 2m… sad win.
