Whenever I play healer I feel like I don’t stay alive very long/don’t do much.
Whenever I don’t play healer I feel like I don’t get healed at all. I would love to play the beta to the fullest but every game feels the same, I try to have fun but then I just keep dying.
So many healers in the game get used to take a damage instead healing. In ow2 i see it’s changed. Now healers should to find ways to survive.
In opposite ways many players forgot to protect their healers. After their death they are screaming that ‘‘where is our healers?!’’
Right now there is not much shields, so need to use covers.
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They probably seem weaker because there’s only one tank, but I don’t notice a difference.
probably because they got nerfed.
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Yeah, it is basically 90% down to us, the players, playing supports like it is OW1 still. Every map has natural shields for you (line of sight), we just need to get better at using that and reminding ourselves to position better.
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should we rename the entire role to healer instead of support and remove lucio and zen from it?
because that’s what it sounds like to me.
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yeah probably .that is how it is looking.after being 2 years as support main i dont think i will be playing support in ow2 .i will stick with tanking and dps .
oh, btw. I saw that only here that players usually do not use covers for saving. I mean they will jump, sit down, running circles - doing everything, but almost never use covers.
it’s partially the other players too, you can’t stay in cover and heal people who aren’t in cover most of the time, you have to get a sightline on them which leaves you exposed a lot of the time aswell.
They didn’t get nerfed. In fact, Moira is probably a top 5 hero in the game right now. Good Lucios are very good. Ana can easily hold her own and has the best basic ability in the game.
What happened is the style of play has changed. Cover is much more important because you can’t rely as much on a second tank to protect you, so it’s up to your own positioning or your fellow support and maybe a dps. That, paired with the ult charge passive for tanks, means just healing and doing nothing else isn’t as easy to do or as rewarding, so instead you have to squeeze out as much value as you can by keeping your tank up but also mixing in damage and quick heals to your other teammates.
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Line of sight is even more important in OW2 because of 1 tank. LoS is key.
i don’t think that’s necessarily true, where are you gonna hide in covers when there’s divers and flankers everywhere.
there’s a reason why the slower supports are more screwed than the rest of the supports because the slower ones rely more on cover.
The thing is though, people go well in the open when it’s not needed. Strafing behind a wall puts the enemies off guard. People should use walls / blocks to their advantage in battles.
yeah but even high ranked players are having a hard time playing slower supports who know how to use natural covers, so it’s not a skill issue knowing how to use covers properly.
it’s more so that there’s no second tank to peel against flankers and divers and the anti-flank/dive capabilities of dps characters have now just all around become worse, so really the more reliable supports are the ones who don’t have to use long cooldowns to survive divers and flankers, like moira, like lucio etc.
Gary is right. Playing LoS better is what people need to do. Only then will be truly know if supports are weak or not.
But given how a tank can just live forever in a fight of supports play smartly, I’d suggest being weak is wrong.
If anything, give some of them more survival tools (Lucio Moria do not need more), but less healing output.
Healers require the tank to survive a direct tank nerf to shields etc is a nerf to supports survival and a BUFF to damage heroes.
I disagree. I’m glad there’s less shields now, they weren’t really needed. If anything, it makes people want to use the environment to protect themselves, and there’s very strong tanks that are good at what they do and they don’t have shields. I mean ofcourse shields do benefit on certain maps but overall, I don’t believe they’re needed as much. OW2 proves that.
Blizzard built the types of environments for a reason, it’s not a matter of running into the open and going pew pew. Same for pillars in areana on WoW, if you don’t take advantage of LoS, then you will most probably die. Don’t just rely on the tank all the time, you can protect yourselves as well as.
no, most supports are ill-equipped compared to lucio and moira, that’s about it.
if a diver is succesfully diving an ana 100% of the time she has to use anti-nade defensively
if a flanker is always succesfully able to flank a baptiste he always needs to use immortality field to duel the flanker.
i mean it’s either that or hope that you can use them offensively to benefit the team at the cost of your own life, life trading essentially.
and moira is just plain busted as there’s not much that will stop her from coalescing except a straight one-shot when she’s zooming with extra speed and a flashlight in your face.
supports overall are weaker as a role comparitively to what they are in OW1, but ofcourse there are exceptions.
but i am not so sure zen is that weak yet, he doesn’t have cooldowns or mobility but he does have ample damage to duel near anyone.
as for actual heals, i wouldn’t mind supports trading some healing for some damage.
in general as healing i don’t think it’s that good anymore, if anything it might make ana a requirement to have if it is if the tank is that busted and can’t be killed without anti-nade.
but in my experience it haven’t been the case, most tanks just melt under zen discord orb.
Lucio Moira are strong right now because they have escape mechanics.
Ana, is alright in fights because she has the sleep so she can get away, same for Brig she can boop or bash away to get distance.
Other supports have nothing.
But, if supports are playing LoS better (like Gary suggests), and are pocketing the tank, the tank will just live for ever (especially Orissa).
I’d like to see supports with more utility, rather than just heal bots. A version of the support Sym from the experimental would be a good change for her.
As for your Moira point, I get that. But people have become so used to stuns and CC that they’ve become lazy. Moira can be melted while ulting with this thing called aim.
That is one thing I like about OW2 right now. Mechanics, game sense and coordination are being rewarded. People can’t just hide behind stuns and shields anymore. If they want to win, they have to be aggressive and proactive.
but you’re forgetting that they are trying to appeal to all skill levels, you can’t say “aim” to people who barely know how to aim to deal with a coalescing moira.
and brig is just weird to play in her old playstyles in OW2, i prefer to use her as a bad flanker just taking advantage of that extra 50dmg spike to her kit taking people by surprise, ain’t many people able to burn through her shield and her hp if you get the drop on them now, and if you sit back you’re just dead to spam or a sniper that will take your head when you drop your shield to throw a repair pack.
ana is just pray to play, you have 1 sleep and you kinda need that anti-nade to reliably deal with the slept target on your own, and even if you do, there’s a potential moira or lucio just appearing right after and you have no cooldowns left, you just have to pray they don’t show up within that time.
but yeah, supports needs a bit of a shake up i think, ana needs a shorter cooldown on sleep, preferably able to chain sleep someone or close to, like 3 second sleep and 7 second cooldown.
brig needs her old bash whipshot tricks back, baps need to be able to store jumps and not have to charge them every time he wants to boost jump perhaps, zen might need a slow mobility cooldown like sigma when he flies with his ultimate.
(also who the hell is gary?)