Hero Balance: Reverse Edition

[Kamlesh-11420]

I have a little idea.

What if.

We reverse EVERY SINGLE character to V1?

V1 means their earliest possible iteration, or in this case, original iteration. Every single character gets reverted to stock tune. That means mass rez is back. Ana’s nano gives a movement boost again. Reaper can go monch monch on his lil souls again. Bastion gets his shield back, but loses his 360 degree functionality. Symm has her ults back, as well as the six original turrets. Armor goes back to what it was. Soldier 76 gets his damage back. Torb makes his armor packs again.

And then, every single hero is left alone. Each and every one of them. No nerfs, no buffs.

And now, a compilation of ideas I took from different places.

Matchmaking is fixed. Prestige skins are added. Portrait system is removed

Stock skin

Bronze prestige: Bronze weapon shader. Spend 25 hours on a hero.

Silver prestige: Spend 100 hours on a hero

Gold Prestige: Spend 500 hours on a hero.

Ultimate prestige: Damage for atleast 10M HP and spend atleast 500 hours on a hero for DPS. Block 10M damage and tank 1M damage as tank. Heal 10M HP as support. Have atleast 1000 team wins in comp and quickplay combined. Ultimate prestige means custom shaders from a set of ever growing skins.

New Portrait system: Just a blue border around the hero image.

Custom voicelines in correspondence with the achievements. Skins are prestige based. Bronze unlocks recolored skins and so on.

Comp (casual): the current comp with SR ratings. Requires LVL 50 to compete.

Comp requirements (competitive ladder):

Bronze: Have bronze prestige skins and weapon shaders across atleast three damage heroes, two tanks and two healers

Silver: Have silver prestige weapon shader across all the above conditions.

Gold: Have gold shaders for the above same conditions.

Creme de la creme: Ultimate shaders across atleast three damage heroes/two support heroes/ two tanks with atleast gold shaders on the other classes.

Round ban system for Comp Ladder(Not casual)

Each team gets to ban ONE healer/tank with TWO bans on any DPS.

Character banned for one round cannot be banned for any other round for the rest of the game. Bans are vote based. Majority of votes for a character bans the character.

No Map bans.

And then, the balances come.

What do you think? I might remember more shizz later. For now, let the war begin.

[ile123-2919]

@Kamlesh-11420

I have a little idea.

What if.

We reverse EVERY SINGLE character to V1?

V1 means their earliest possible iteration, or in this case, original iteration. Every single character gets reverted to stock tune. That means mass rez is back. Ana’s nano gives a movement boost again. Reaper can go monch monch on his lil souls again. Bastion gets his shield back, but loses his 360 degree functionality. Symm has her ults back, as well as the six original turrets. Armor goes back to what it was. Soldier 76 gets his damage back. Torb makes his armor packs again.

And then, every single hero is left alone. Each and every one of them. No nerfs, no buffs.

Theres a good reason why the made those buffs/nerfs and if we go back to that that would bring back old problems and the community(the crybabies on the forum mostly) will never be happy no matter what Blizz does

@Kamlesh-11420

Stock skin

That would destroy all the hard work Blizz put into those skins and no one will like the fact that they removed their favorite skin

@Kamlesh-11420

Bronze prestige: Bronze weapon shader. Spend 25 hours on a hero.

Silver prestige: Spend 100 hours on a hero

Gold Prestige: Spend 500 hours on a hero.

Ultimate prestige: Damage for atleast 10M HP and spend atleast 500 hours on a hero for DPS. Block 10M damage and tank 1M damage as tank. Heal 10M HP as support. Have atleast 1000 team wins in comp and quickplay combined. Ultimate prestige means custom shaders from a set of ever growing skins.

This idea i really like

@Kamlesh-11420

New Portrait system: Just a blue border around the hero image.

I like it when the game shows progress instead of just a plain blue border and I dont know what the benefit of removing the borders is

@Kamlesh-11420

Custom voicelines in correspondence with the achievements. Skins are prestige based. Bronze unlocks recolored skins and so on.

They need to sell their lootboxes so this is never going to happen

@Kamlesh-11420

Comp (casual): the current comp with SR ratings. Requires LVL 50 to compete.

Make it lvl.100 so that this will make smurfs go away and allow new players who know how this game works to play

@Kamlesh-11420

Comp requirements (competitive ladder):

Bronze: Have bronze prestige skins and weapon shaders across atleast three damage heroes, two tanks and two healers

Silver: Have silver prestige weapon shader across all the above conditions.

Gold: Have gold shaders for the above same conditions.

Creme de la creme: Ultimate shaders across atleast three damage heroes/two support heroes/ two tanks with atleast gold shaders on the other classes.

No one will play this because you will force them to play heroes they hate or a class they dont want to play.And just because someone played widow for 100 h dosent mean they will be a headshooting machine

@Kamlesh-11420

Round ban system for Comp Ladder(Not casual)

Not enough heroes right now for this to work

[Kamlesh-11420]

Yes, finally someone replied.

@ile123-2919

Theres a good reason why the made those buffs/nerfs and if we go back to that that would bring back old problems and the community(the crybabies on the forum mostly) will never be happy no matter what Blizz does

A lot of heroes will become stronger against the GOATS and other metas. Soldier can see more play. The shield generator gets people more health to go anti goats. Anyways, if blizz is never going to make it such that no one can be happy, I really want to see how that would be.

[quote=“ile123-2919, post:2, topic:13698”]
That would destroy all the hard work Blizz put into those skins and no one will like the fact that they removed their favorite skin

@ile123-2919

That would destroy all the hard work Blizz put into those skins and no one will like the fact that they removed their favorite skin

This means that the stock skin is the only one available for the weapon, and the recolors are available thru lootboxes. Just 2 cents. your argument makes more sense though. Lootboxes will go bust then.

[quote=“ile123-2919, post:2, topic:13698”]
I like it when the game shows progress instead of just a plain blue border and I dont know what the benefit of removing the borders is

[quote=“ile123-2919, post:2, topic:13698”]
I like it when the game shows progress instead of just a plain blue border and I dont know what the benefit of removing the borders is

@ile123-2919

I like it when the game shows progress instead of just a plain blue border and I dont know what the benefit of removing the borders is

bronze. “LEVEL 500 NUB ANA LUL” in the chat. Its plain painful.

[quote=“ile123-2919, post:2, topic:13698”]
No one will play this because you will force them to play heroes they hate or a class they dont want to play.And just because someone played widow for 100 h dosent mean they will be a headshooting machine

@ile123-2919

No one will play this because you will force them to play heroes they hate or a class they dont want to play.And just because someone played widow for 100 h dosent mean they will be a headshooting machine

This is anti one trick and only for ladder. Casual comp can be played anyway you like. This forces people to be more versatile.

@ile123-2919

Not enough heroes right now for this to work

This will change just you wait. Jayne has been doing some serious work on this front. He added hero ban and hero protect too. Real good stuff.

[ile123-2919]

@Kamlesh-11420

A lot of heroes will become stronger against the GOATS and other metas. Soldier can see more play. The shield generator gets people more health to go anti goats.

That would just bring back dive,the most stale meta in the history of the game.

@Kamlesh-11420

Anyways, if blizz is never going to make it such that no one can be happy, I really want to see how that would be.

So you must be new if you never played when Soldier was OP and symetra was even more useless

@Kamlesh-11420

This is anti one trick and only for ladder. Casual comp can be played anyway you like. This forces people to be more versatile.

I see that but it will still take way too long for a average player to unlock that mode

@Kamlesh-11420

This will change just you wait. Jayne has been doing some serious work on this front. He added hero ban and hero protect too. Real good stuff.

Asuming the game will be popular enough in 3+ years to warant further updates

@Kamlesh-11420

This means that the stock skin is the only one available for the weapon, and the recolors are available thru lootboxes. Just 2 cents. your argument makes more sense though. Lootboxes will go bust then.

I think paladins had a system like that before it got removed,but it still wont happen because you get more money from random chance rather then paying directly for the thing you want

[Darkwaver-21127]

@ile123-2919

That would just bring back dive,the most stale meta in the history of the game.

Nah it wouldn´t not. Brig is still in the game and her reverted to v1 will make the game a mess again and goats reign completely supreme.

@ile123-2919

So you must be new if you never played when Soldier was OP and symetra was even more useless

Yup. Tho calling soldier OP, at that time is maybe an overstatement. He was just quite a bit better than his counter parts. Nothing like Mccree was back in the day.

[Darkwaver-21127]

All the cosmetic ideas and gains are great for casuals and hardcore players alike.

The hero ideas. Boi, where do i start. The idea you propose, would single handedly leave the game in the worst state it will have ever been. Brig v1.0 with goats reign more supreme than ever. SniperCREE is sh*tting on all hitscans. sym and tob gonna be more useless than ever and only some heroes are better than before (soldier etc) yet is still without a chance at the face of GOATS or other comps.

Prestige system is exactly similar to portrait, will introduce exactly the same hatred, just more focused, since people will know, where people spend their time.

[Kamlesh-11420]

@Darkwaver-21127

Prestige system is exactly similar to portrait, will introduce exactly the same hatred, just more focused, since people will know, where people spend their time.

I resign from the post of idea giver.

Your logic is well put.

I think I will go back to cursing on brig XD