How is playing a "off meta pick" throwing?

I play Doomfist and Symm on some attack maps and people give up the second and they throw? why?

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Sym is getting a rework for a reason.

Because Doomfist is “off-meta” for the simple reason that he’s completely useless except under very special circumstances. Instalocking Doomfist will set your team back, and they will be at a disadvantage until you switch. Doesn’t matter how good you are, unless the map and enemy comp is just right, you will be feeding.

Sym, well… She’s a better choice than Doomfist, every time. However, most attack syms are nowhere near good enough not to set the team back almost as much as Doomfist. She can be very effective in the right hands, but very few players have those. So your team has been getting steamrolled partly because of attack syms so many times they just give up.

Personally, I will sigh at those picks, but never throw. The rest of the team may turn out to compensate, or the Sym may turn out to be one of the rare capable Syms.

it s not throwing , you just played with dumb people.

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Because people have a bad attitude in this game, there’s too many negative people playing it who act immature and instantly give up once a “meta” pick isn’t in their team.

It’s a sad thing but it’s very common in these kind of class based pvp titles.

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yeah , and actually, using some off meta heroes can be really interesting , i ve had a few matches where the guy wants to try sombra and it was amazing.

Because most people use them to evade the inactivity ban while dropping because the the mechanical demand both heroes have. Both also require a lot of support to be effective (usually brawler comps) otherwise you’re going to be too far to be able to pull them off.

Symmetra on attack is debatable.

I dont main or play alot of symmetra but she has one of my highest win rates.
And you can make symmetra works on attack with her tp.

But if the team doesnt want to make symmetra work and it clearly shows that it has no effect vs 2 or 3 opponent heroes that can deal with her at range like hanzo and widow then its time to swap her just like widows swap the momen you have a gamer girl and a monkey jumping on you.

And if the other team has a brigitte symmetra cant even get close to them.

I don’t feel many people get mad at “off-meta” picks, I feel they get mad at sym, torb and bastion on attack, and doomfist. Personally, I never give up for the simple reason that it may turn out the rest of the team can carry them. But when someone picks Doomfist, I know the only chance we have is that there may be one on the other team too.

Picking symmetra before the rework is basically always throwing - she can be countered by multiple heroes easily, is useless against certain heroes (pharah f.ex.) and takes away a slot that could be something more useful. There is also nothing she is good against. Opponent playing standard composition (Winston) will automatically counter her.

Doomfist can work due to one-shot potential, but is extremely fragile, map-dependent and situational. also: see Pharah as above. DF is getting buffed also for a reason…

Tell that to all the people that tell me Doomfist is heavily OP whenever I play him.

In lower ranks the chances are good that the enemy team doesn’t have a counter to sym as they come out the door, and also lack the most basic awareness and decisionmaking required for turning around and shooting the turrets that continously kill them running through the same doorway. And even if they do have a hero that should counter her, they will keep missing her if they even remember to shoot her. But yeah, that’s best case scenario, for the team having her. Oh, she can actually be decent on defense on escort and hybrid maps, if played well. But one-tricks spend half the time on offense, which is where she’s hated.

Doomfist requires the entire team to adapt their comp for him to be viable on any map, and even then the player picking him still needs to be good at him. People blindly picking Doomfist are never good at him. So chances that your team will be able to field a comp that can work around Doomfist, with everyone being able to play their part well, and Doomfist being played well… they’re non-existant, practically :slight_smile:

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Sure thing. This season that appears to be 33 seconds, unless you’re playing him on an alt. But maybe you played him more in earlier seasons? If you’re talking about QP, that simply doesn’t matter. People who only do QP are not qualified to give an opinion on hero mechanics and balance.

Thats really shallow to say, Overwatch doesn’t only exist around its comp mode. Brigitte was a monster for (I think nearly 60 days) in QP and it got fully ignored. We have her and the new Hanzo to thank this new meta for. It BAFFLES me that Brig had so long in QP compared to DF who got nerfed after a week.

But besides the point of ignoring QP players, I have enough people telling me that his oneshot capability is OP as heck while he is a flying target for any sniper, even in comp and that while he was weaker in earlier seasons as well. (and yes I played him more on an alt because this season is not that amazing anyway).

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Well, it was kind of undiplomatic, I give you that. To elaborate a bit, qp is generally a lot less team-oriented than comp, and tend to be a long series of 1v1s. If a team even try to have a “composition template” it’s 2-2-2 without any real thought behind which heroes you have in which slots, not to mention WHY you use those particular heroes. And once they’re out the door, the pinnacle of playing as a team is that one of the dps stands behind a shield, and they have a healer nearby. And that falls apart once one of them is picked.

Doomfist is strong in this environment, where he rarely comes up against even two people working together. The fact that he’s strong there does not mean that he’s OP, it only means that the player claiming that have selected a hero who’s weak against him in a 1v1, or one that they don’t know how to play against him properly.

Those who only play QP have never been in a situation where they had a dps, a healer and a tank with them, so they have no idea what it’s like.

It’s an entirely different situation, they’ve never been in it, and are therefore unqualified.

I mean I totally get your point, and I don’t say you are wrong about QP at all. But I even hear “Doomfist is OP” in comp on my alt, which is quite funny to be honest as that is the environment where he is heavily counterable. But the 60 days of free reign that Brig had was ridiculous (thankfully Blizzard will release heroes in comp sooner from now on). And I think that even QP can become a better place with the new LFG features that are coming.

I would honestly like to see a bit more “good” Doomfist. I am playing with the idea of a “blitz comp”, which would be something inbetween a 3/4-tank and a dive. Doomfist, Brigitte, Lucio, Mercy, Dva, Rein. Rein, Dva and Doomfist would initiate by charging and rocket punching, bringing Mercy with them. Lucio would bring Brigitte into the fray soon thereafter with amped speed aura.

You would have a very resilient and heavy hitting “dive”, with cleave and lots of CC, and without having to set up flankers before initiating. I think Doomfist would really shine, and Brigitte makes this sort of comp so much more viable. The problem is I don’t see a team of randoms pulling this off. The engagement needs to be practiced as a team (I think, this is just theoretical at the moment), so I still feel Doomfist is doomed (heh) to a very niche existence on the ladder.

I hope his new buffs on the PTR make him more of a force to be reckoned with.

The problem I see with him is that he is very dependent on the team composition. Right now I’d say he could work quite well with Rein+Zarya+Brig as long as he does the slam+uppercut+shotgun combo and then escapes behind the tanks using his rocket punch. The problem is that you have no ranged dps then, unless you only run a single backline support. So well, it’s kind of hard slotting him in, without getting wrecked by snipers, pharahs etc. And that won’t change because of bug fixes and buffs :confused:

Because off meta heroes are niche and often times at a disadvantage unless those niche conditions are met.

Often times they force healers/tanks to play around a play style they’re not familiar with causing tanks and supports to be weaker.