If I didn’t get awful teammates then there wouldn’t be a problem
In most of my games I get the mcree/tracer/widow pro wannabes who won’t swap heroes which of course gets people frustrated causing these “offensive words” (which aren’t even offensive) to be thrown around into the ingame chat. Are Blizz able to hear voice chat? I’ve heard “offensive words” being used in that especially by streamers and I’ve not seen any of them get suspended.
The word “bumper” is an offensive slur where i’m from so you’re getting reported Budget I Hope you don’t mind, I find it highly offensive so I must report it.
Blizzards CoC doesn’t even specify what words are deemed as “offensive words” it basically just says “anyone can find any words offensive which means it’s ok for them to report you and we’ll ban you for it”
“The game itself might not be family-friendly, but the social features should be”
What’s the point in a profanity filter which filters out “offensive words” in a game which is supposed to be “family friendly”??? Like what’s the actual point?? Why don’t Blizz just not let people type these words in the first place???
Anyone who is offended by the word noob is a massive snowflake and seriously needs to rethink their values and life. This generation… did they not go to school? I mean you get called much worse daily, it’s banter and often a term of endearment.
If my friends and I didn’t insult each other I would be more concerned.
To me, people insulting others and then whining about being reported, those people are the real snowflakes. If you can’t handle the consequences, don’t break the rules.
Also, I don’t understand this notion that people have to tolerate being insulted online by strangers, just because “it’s the internet” and people have to “toughen up a little”. I am not going to cry in a corner because someone calls me noob. I just think it’s a) detrimental to the team spirit and the game, and toxicity loses games faster than anything else and b) it’s just… not nice. Friendly banter between people who know each other and know that it’s just that, banter, I have no problem with. I do this all the time as well. But I am friendly towards strangers who don’t know me and who don’t know my intentions. If you think that makes me weak, then I almost pity you.
Doesn’t mean I am a snowflake. As I’ve told many times here, my job with teenagers with behavioural issues doesn’t allow me to be a sensitive snowflake. But that doesn’t mean, when I play a game to unwind in the evening, I should tolerate being yelled at by some kid in my mic. Again, not crying over it, not being offended or upset in any way, but it’s just unnecessary and unfriendly behaviour, and I try to teach my own daughter and the children I work with, that behaviour like that has its consequences. So I report and I will continue to do so.
So yeah, it’s your prerogative to go and insult people online all you want, but don’t come crying when you get reported and penalized for it.
It comes down to “perception” people are “percieving” insults in everything…
You can see it happen… even on the forum people are being “insulted” by the use of voice lines from the game itself…
How do you square that circle? What if someone is offended by the use of ana’s tea time taunt because they equate it to being tea bagged… should the ana be reported and/or banned for using an in game mechanic?
No… they should not… and these people who actively look for things to be offended by and are perpetually offended by everything need to grow up or get lost because otherwise you’re going to find alot more IRL violence happening where average Joe’s are no longer allowed to blow off steam through aggressive competition
Then you will be blaming video games for violence again… when in fact it’s the lack of video games that has led to violence
I agree that it’s a lot of perception. But that goes both ways. That’s why people should understand more that what they perceive as harmless might be an insult to someone else, especially someone they don’t know and who doesn’t understand their intention. And usually, the words I report for (and no, again, they don’t offend me personally, I just think they’re unnecessary and unfriendly) are words which are objectively known as being inflammatory - not in-game emotes.
That’s apparently the weird thing about me: whenever I offend someone in some way, I try to find what it is exactly that offends them and try to avoid doing it in the future. I try to learn from it, rather than whine and rage that I didn’t mean it offensively and people should just grow thicker skins. That’s just a selfish point of view, to be honest.
everyone else on the planet existing offends me, (and no i’m not being ridiculous, i actually feel this way)
does everyone else deserve to be banned from life because their existence offends me
of course not… i tollerate it… and deal with it, everyone else needs to grow up… and “Tollerate” what they dont personally like… just as we are being told to “Tollerate” all manner of things that are not “the norm”
Again, talking about words and behaviour universally perceived as insulting, not just arbitrary things people might be offended about. Those things are usually not actionable anyway. The general rule is, and should be, to play nice.
“gg ez noobs” has a lot more connotation when uttered against strangers, than when people use it jokingly when they’re playing with friends who know it’s just banter.
My point is, people who act like this towards strangers on the internet should not be surprised when this behaviour comes back to bite them in the behind.
my point is people on the internet should be expecting to come across all manner of people, personalitys and behaviour, and instead of winging about their feelings being hurt just ignore it… like i have to ignore all of their BS
Right back at you. Being offended by every little thing and expect everyone else around you to change is selfish.
No one here is arguing for bad behavior, but lately it’s doesn’t even matter if it’s bad behavior, anything is offensive. That’s why you grow as a person if you “grow a thicker skin”, because instead of being offended you can actually evaluate what the person tried to say. If their intentions were offensive and you have a cool head about it, you disarmed your “attacker” of their only “weapon”.
Why even care what some stranger said, blizzard offered tools to mitigate it as well, each player can be individually muted and blocked.
It’s unreasonable to just decide to “not do” something what offends another person, as I said what if it’s just asking for healing more than once, or saying the truth. That would be advocating for lies.
More so, certain languages have phrases that sound offensive but in their own country really aren’t that bad.
Both of you still have the misconception that people who report bad behaviour are some kind of sheltered individuals or a sensitive snowflake. I guess I can only speak for myself, but I seriously am not. Again, in my daily job I deal with verbal and sometimes physical abuse, and I wouldn’t be able to hold my job if I get offended so easily that strangers on the internet can somehow hurt my personal feelings.
Tolerating it, though, that’s practically the same thing. Somehow it became the norm on the internet to insult each other, the most likable culprit is the anonymity of being online and not having to deal with “real people”. Check comments on Youtube videos, check forums, check online games: the norm is to show dominance by being vicious towards each other. Personal feelings really don’t have to be hurt to realize that this should not be the norm, and just as I want to teach children that treating others like garbage does not go without consequences, I do want to use the report function as much as possible if people, in general, don’t play nice.
Also, I am not focusing on specific words for that, it’s just a general attitude. For example, someone telling the team before starting “let’s do this noobs” has an entirely different tone than someone berating others at the end of the match, whether it’s “gg ez noobs” or “we lost because of the noobs in my team”. The word is the same, the context and general feeling behind it a lot different.
I guess I do care what strangers say on the internet, I’m just not personally offended by it - but it doesn’t mean I have to let it slide, if only from a principle point of view.
we’re not going to agree, but when it all comes crashing down, and litterally the modern world crumbles because of virtue signalling busy body’s like you who can’t allow people to be people… im just going to sit and laugh… shrugs so don’t come crying to me or people like me who “told you so”
sorry, but thats the way it is… regardless of how you feel
Well, on one thing we do, and that is that we are probably not.
I don’t mind though, it’s an interesting discussion to have and I’m glad we can do it with reasonable arguments rather than just flinging mud.
That’s, again, where you misunderstand me, and I do see why since it might not be a simple point of view to have. I allow people to be people, people definitely need to be people and can be angry now and then, and can vent that anger through verbal insults. But then they should also be able, or at least learn to, accept the consequences. In some cases, in real life, especially at my workplace, it means sometimes getting their head stomped upon - and in this case, it’s being reported and maybe sanctioned.
Oh, and if someone really does you wrong in real life, you should be able to call them every name in the book. But when they misclick an ultimate ability in an online game? Nah.
It’s not a misconception considering all the topics I’ve seen on this forum, about banning certain behavior that’s not really offensive. In this very topic you have two people suspended for having chat muted, by tools blizzard themselves offered you.
I fully agree that it shouldn’t be a norm and we can stand against it together, completely ignore it and voila, they all of a sudden have no one to talk to but themselves.
I know full well what comments around social media and forums are like, I’ve also seen forum topics advocating to ban people tea bagging and using the “mommy please hold me” (aka gg ez filter on ow).
It’s problematic to draw the line because being offended is very very very subjective. You deem word “noob” reportable, I don’t. I’ve never used it, but it’s laughable to me because every single player of any video game has been a noob.
You can create a circumstance of a safe space and it will ponder to sensitive people, whose world will fall apart as soon as those safeguards are gone, because they didn’t work on themselves to “grow a thicker skin” and not be insulted by nobodys of the internet.
Last night i was playing TF2, was having a great match and a rivalry had developed between me, and an enemy player…
he caught me off guard with a crit rocket… which then i proceeded to say in chat “Ohh F you you Cheeky D Waffle”… to which he giggled…
later down the road i baited him into chasing me through a sticky bomb trap… to which he said in match chat “C wording sticky spam F word for derogetizing homosexual behavior” to which i replyed with an x-D…
we were technically being abusive towards eachother, two complete strangers… by your logic we would both be banned, despite both having fun, and creating enjoyment for the entirety of both teams who were also joining in…
Oh, by all means I don’t agree with every banning Blizzard does, at all, myself. Being banned for having chat muted in competitive for me is on the line, it’s an environment where team work is crucial and you are actively hindering your team by not communicating - but then again it certainly does not warrant any sanction whatsoever according to me. I myself have more trouble with the entire one-trick discussion, I don’t think people should be banned for playing certain heroes they like to play. They’re in the game, let people play whatever they want as long as they are actively trying to win the game for their team.
I don’t blindly want to follow Blizzard’s rules. But I do want to follow my own guidelines of what is appropriate behaviour and what not. And moving on on that…
I don’t either. For me it’s a general attitude, not the particular words they use. I report people for acting rude, anti-social and detrimental to the team spirit, and because they shouldn’t treat strangers like they’re not even real humans on the other end of the line. I actually care less about what words they use, and I certainly don’t report for merely swearing, or saying “noob”. It all depends on the entire context for me, one example I already mentioned above where I explain how I can see the word “noob” in entirely different context. Same logic applies to tea bagging for me, or anything else that can be deemed inappropriate: it’s the context that matters.
People like that need to learn being assertive, I guess. But see, for me that’s exactly what reporting is. What is NOT assertive, but very much mistaken for being so, is stooping to the same level as your aggressor by responding to the attack and starting a futile argument. But ignoring, muting, and reporting unwanted behaviour is exactly how everyone should react, because that is telling a message that rudeness towards people you don’t even know is not being tolerated. To me, that’s assertivity. And I completely agree with your ignore and mute statement, but I just like to add “report” to it as well
Just shows that you still don’t understand the logic
First of all, silenced. Not banned. Well, hopefully. I really don’t advocate people getting banned from playing the game for saying “bad words” or venting their anger every now and then, unless it is really and repetitively over the top.
To be honest, the example you describe above is just what it looks like, friendly banter, and it’s quite obvious to each of you. What I have bigger problems with, is negative behaviour just for the sake of it, and then whine afterwards when you get a report.
that you should only report if it is in fact targeted continual harassment?..
because, and i am sorry, it sounded as if you would report just at the very hint of a word, or a phrase or any other thing that could be construed as “offensive” which is literally everything
my position is, if someone is being a twit… just ignore them… the more you rise to it (and yes, reporting and them getting banned is a rise) the more they will continue to do the behavior… because they are still getting recognition for it, even if its negative…
and them getting sanctioned solves nothing, they just go and buy another account, and start the process all over again because they got the recognition they were after…
if you ignore them, they get bored, and leave of their own accord and don’t do it again
We might have different standards about what continual harassment is, but yeah, basically. If someone says two lines of text during an entire game where he is otherwise silent, but those two lines are something like “this team sucks balls” or “lose fast please you’re all idiots”, or whatever, then yeah, I’d report. Hardly is continual harassment, it’s more just being a general twit.
No. I think that’s the misconception I was talking about earlier. What I really have issues with, is people calling others sensitive snowflakes because they don’t tolerate bad behaviour online, and mostly while whining themselves because they can’t handle their silence sanction.
I understand where you come from with the ignoring, and I agree in general: give bad behaviour recognition and it just continues. But to me, that recognition means engaging in the argument, defending yourself by swearing back and by that giving them exactly what they want: a good old online cussing match. That’s what they crave, and that’s what I deny them by just ignoring it. And judging by the amount of QQ posts about “I’ve been suspended for saying this and that, these snowflakes are taking over waaah waah waah” it looks like I’m getting to them by doing the reporting as well.
Unless the behaviour is repeated and seriously problematic, Blizzard is not going to ban them, just give them a silence. Which means no one can hear them while they shout at their screen until they’re blue in the face. Ah, glorious image. How is that not win-win?
alot of the time, the sanction is unjustified because it is levied on them because of a situation i described on people who were merely bantering and “someone” got offended
yes, this is recognition, but so is reporting them, its just not you giving them the recognition but the system…
they know that blizzards system and mods are entirely over inflated and over zealous, so getting a rise from the system justifies their own bias’ and encourages more of the behavior… this is human psychology 101…
i got banned for “abusive chat” despite never using in game voice comms, or text chat within OW… simply because i played bastion… no silence, no warning, outright ban for 3 months with no prior infractions… what did i do?.. i bought another account on the cheap and continued playing
well… no not really, because the others in the team are not told that that person is silenced, they just assume they are not communicating, then report them for not communicating, which then compounds the problem, because as people have told you, they get reported for not talking as well as talking…
if they get silenced/banned, what ever they will continue to do it over and over again…
there are two ways to deal with these kinds of people, in the olden days they would literally IRL have their face smashed in, or, they would be ostracized/ignored from the group
with the ability to buy unlimited accounts, you cant ostracize them, you also can’t physically punish them… so all that is left is ignoring them
Oh its this guy again, mister “I make the rules” guy.
No dude, because you and your personal thresholds or feelings are not the standards to judge things by. This is something that apparently you are not getting and … funny enough, you said it yourself:
Yeah dude, regardless of you “feeling” that it should be reported or not, the rules, in this particular videogame are there. Not for YOUR interpretation, but for Blizzards.
If someone thinks something is borderline against the TOS, they are 100% on their right to report it.
And no, doing so doesnt make you a “snowflake” or anything. Just like seeing someone steal in a shop and you reporting it doesnt make you a “bad person” or whatever, regarding the context. You are NOT the judge.
It does though, persons dont judge the law, they just report.
All you have been doing is running around with examples, weird hypotheticals and arguing semantics. We can all read your posts, remember?
Since you exposed yourself, once again, sure we are clear. We know now that once confronted with the truth, facts and logic, you are the one running away.
Bye.
Hahaha I knew it. Ad hominem. More fallacies, literally the only thing you have. Yeah you are 100% done.
