I'm sick of Hanzo

I’m sick to the teeth, almost vomiting every time I see a Hanzo.
This utterly broken, lame hero, is so disgustingly OP that it becomes stupid.

But I get it, you know that an OP Hanzo and Genji attract bully players that love to gank, so I’m not expecting any nerf.
I just want to express how much I loathe that hero and everyone using it.

And whoever disagrees; Tell me, which hero is an anti-hero to Hanzo, that can easily counter him, standing behind an entire team that protects him.

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Sombra? Genji? Widow? Tracer? Moira? Hanzo? Sojourn? Those work at the top of my head, but any hero can get a hanzo if you zig zag and crouch to avoid the arrows. play around corners.

with these hitboxes? thats a no go. Hanzos and widowmakers are able to hit people wich arent even peaking from the corner yet due to the ridicilous hitboxes in this game

I duel the occational hanzo, the trick is to flank around or to spook him from an off angle.
You don’t just run at a hanzo, that’s just feeding.
You have to play smartly and with positioning against him.

Sure there is an occational surprise arrow to the head, but unless it’s a real luck shot where you just run into the arrow it’s usually because you move in a predictable manner or he’s seen you with a sonic arrow.

And when in hanzo’s face, get your headbox out of his sight. Push into melee range, hop on top of him or keep moving around fast while crouching at intervals. He can’t headshot you if he can’t shoot your head.

Not a guarantee, but this tactic works on almost all ranged heroes if you manage to pull it off.
I’ve done it to widows, hanzos, sojourns, zenyattas… and let’s not forget that i usually play mercy and her hitbox is dumb when compared to other heroes.

You should probably stop playing then if it is impacting you that much.

If the Hanzo is doing that, they are a bad Hanzo.

But counters… Hanzo, Widow, Ball, D.Va, Monkey… the list could go one but I am bored.

tell it like it is, you’re tired of spamzo who randomly one-shots you.
you stand behind the tank and the tank moves and you just happen to catch that arrow right in the head that he spammed into the tank.
or you walk with your team and suddenly hanzo shoots an arrow that just so happen to one-shot you out of all your teammates he could have hit.

if you can’t be ok with that, then don’t play overwatch, you don’t really wanna know how to counter it because you think it’s an unfun mechanic and it doesn’t matter.

“Avoid the arrows”, that are the size of a mining truck.
If you get even close with any of those heroes, he will one shoot you with closed eyes.

I very rarely have any issues with killing off a hanzo.
If i can avoid his arrows with a mercy, you can too.
After all mercy’s wings are rather large and thus she’s really easy to hit. But somehow dueling a hanzo and winning is still possible.

Approach from an angle he’s not looking at (flank him) or squish him with a tank.
Once you’re close enough with a dps or support, try the crouching tactic. It’s a tactic that even the pros use to avoid headshots.

The problem with “countering” Hanzo is - if you shoot him, his supports may still heal him up again in time or his kit just allows him to escape. But if he shoots you, you’re just dead. You cannot “counter” this in anyway. You cannot play “around corners” either because that is exactly what BENEFITS Hanzo, and at the end of the day you have to engage the enemy team somehow.

Here’s a video from SVB on Hanzo, it’s basically what he says is the problem with that hero, in combination with the insanely OP kit that allows him to do just everything

https://www.youtube.com/clip/Ugkx2ywp2Jw6qEbj3EXX0t1vdS1Uu4P5sKLp

At least until high gold if you get killed by a hanzo it’s just a matter of positioning better.

There are good hanzos out there even on lower tiers but those are rare and it’s usually pretty easy to bully him to change.

The oneshot kill on gold and lower is luck in at least 70% of the games, so you either have all the good hanzos against you, you play in higher lobbies or you need to understand the geometry of the maps better and position smarter.

If you keep getting murdered, keep a wall between you and hanzo and avoid corner hovering until enough of the enemy team is dead and you can move more freely.

If the hanzo has snuck into your backline and proceeds to murder your entire team, he’s just good and you must keep an eye out for him for the rest of the game or he will do the same thing over and over until your team has been stomped.

More in detail, these are the problems with Hanzo.

1. Widow ultimate light - Every 12 seconds
With no graphical- or audio effect that warns you about it. In other words, you have no idea that Hanzo sees exactly where you are and when your head pops out.

2. 250 head-shot damage = just wrong!
An Ashe can do max 150 while Hanzo does 100 more without even having to use a scope. Come on!

3. 420-840 damage in 2 seconds, every 10 seconds
Storm Arrow makes it basically impossible to even get close to a Hanzo.
If timed well, not even a tank can beat him.

4. Jumps and climbs
And if he gets pressured, he turns into a light version of Genji, jumps away, vanish,es or again, just one-shoot you after jumping away from you.

Summary
How stupidly OP is sonic arrow? Together with the insane damage that is so out of line in comparison to other heroes.
This is why even a widow will lose against a Hanzo. He can just stay behind a corner until he has sonic arrow, and Widow dies before she even gets to peak around the corner, not even knowing that he shot the sonic arrow.
Hanzo knows when he is scanned, but no one knows when being scanned by Hanzo, every 12 seconds!!! It’s laughable.

Hanzo has no weakness really and no obvious counter-dps hero, as all other dps heroes do. Anyone saying that he’s balanced is a Hanzo user, not want him to be nerfed.

It’s so obvious that Hanzo has been made OP on purpuse, just to attract gank-lovers and cool streaming content.

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You can see the sonic arrow sticking out of a surface. And it’s not map wide.

250 damage. He doesn’t have a scope, unlike widow who’se headshots are more guaranteed

Time your approach right, if he spams those arrows into a shield you can just delete him.

The jump gives him an inch of breathing room, and you can just keep shooting him when he climbs.

You just need to out manouver him. Flank him and surprise him with a few bullets to the head. Sounds to me that you just don’t have the map knowledge or time awareness to take him on.

All of these are only a problem if you’re playing in high plat lobbies or higher.

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The fact that he doesn’t have a scope is exactly what makes him OP. It’s much harder for a Widow to one-shoot you when you get up close. But for Hanzo, with arrows that pixel-wise are the size of a cement truck, it’s a higher chance that he one shoots you than miss.

And that’s not even exaggerating, seriously.

He can alone take out at least 4 players in the enemy team, solo, from any distance, in seconds.

Don’t try to convince me that he’s balanced, just admit it, and that you love to gank with him every day :smiley:

the weakness in hanzos kit is that he fires slowly and it’s not that easy to land those arrows because they do have travel time and an arc, if you just let a hanzo just lob arrows right into your clump of teammates the hanzo is winning.

if you think he doesn’t see you but he has an arrow with your name written on it just waiting for you to just walk around that corner because he sonic arrowed that wall then hanzo is winning because he’s probably already repositioned himself to where you are no longer even a threat even if he misses.

it’s catching hanzo off-guard or in a bad fire fight that hanzo will just straight up lose 100%, it’s just not always easy to do that.

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You just can’t accept that a support main doesn’t struggle against hanzos as badly as you do.

It all comes down to awareness and map knowledge, knowing the spots whe snipers are likely to be and avoiding sightlines.
Knowing the routes to safely go around the enemy team and deleting them before they’re even aware of you.

If you see the hanzo, ping him so the rest of your team knows to avoid him or flank him. Same with other snipers.

I snipe hanzos for breakfast when i play dps on quickplay. A mei icicle to the face across the map is very satisfying, and just as much down to luck as a hanzo arrow at that distance would be.

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I get it all confirmed by the tips that you share.
"Hanzo is no problem!! You “just” need to stay away from his sight, flank him, and take him off guard.
The word “just” here is the problem.

If it’s a a good Hanzo, by the time you have sneaked around him, and IF you even surprise him, your team might be dead.

And what can you surprise him with?
I suck at aiming on a biblical level, and I tried Hanzo after writing this post.
The other team dps went Sombra, but the player changed after I one-shot Sombra three times in a row, instantly after she hacked me.

No hero that can sneak up on Hanzo, has the kit to kill him fast enough.

Genji can sneak up on him and can live long enough to kill him.
And the sombra clearly didn’t try crouching.
Just because a hero can work doesn’t mean it’s a guarantee if you lack the skill. You can defeat any hero with almost any hero, but it always requires you to outplay them.

Sometimes just being a distraction for long enough gives a team enough time to get rid of hanzo’s team so you all just dogpile him.

Kind of just a skill issue I can’t lie

pick genji, double jump on hanzos head and spam shuriken into him, he can’t headshot if he can’t aim passed your cheeks, also you get a nifty “reverse uno” card with genji.

hanzo hates having to aim at anything small and fast that’s right next to him because if he can’t get that one-shot he’s probably dead.
and no most hanzos aren’t running around with god level aim or aimbot.

as for tanks, i’d say most dive tanks will do, hanzo does not have the greatest nuking potential, but he can definitly chunk damage into tanks who are too slow to come at him.

supports? well it depends how you wanna deal with it, i do not suggest brig though.
sure she can block an arrow or two but you’re too defensive with brig and your team will die one by one.

But yeah, genji and winston are pretty decent low aim options, they are just difficult to know how to engage with and using proper movement and pathing with.