"I'm stuck in my rank because of leavers, throwers, smurfs.. etc."

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You can’t have this mind set, going out of a lost game and right back into another with a negative attitude already formed about the other players you are going to meet, and thinking you played perfect and it was your team mates holding you down…

It is also your fault

You need to think about your flaws, maybe you are that one guy you keep meeting that picks 1 hero and never switches when you really need a different hero instead of the one chosen, maybe you are that guy that fills after everyone else picked a hero, forcing you onto a hero you aren’t really comfortable with. Maybe you played perfectly all game but on the last round on the last point you over extended and it snowballed into a loss. Try to think about what is wrong with your game play, not everyone else.

You aren’t the only person

Literally everybody that has played overwatch has encounters the same scenarios as you, 4dps locked in after one second of a new game, someone that is playing bad leaving text and voice chat so you can’t communicate with them, a somehow god tier level 25 player with a 80% win rate grouped up with a silver border mercy main that in all other seasons is two ranks lower than the one you are in currently, hackers, people leaving, random disconnects on your end that make you lose sr, pure bugs in the game and exploit abusers… We have all been through it, and if you haven’t you are surely the luckiest person on earth. Yet somehow the people that truly deserve a higher rank than what they are at continue to climb despite running into losses out of their control.

It isn’t luck that some how every pro player/streamer has 3 alt accounts that are 4000+ sr… Hell even Kabaji a while ago was on an alt account that got placed in 2500 sr and played fine and lost a game because of maybe his team under-preforming, yet he still rose up in SR again?
This may seem extreme because its talking about the best of the best, but thats what everyone seems to claim to be when making posts about them being ‘stuck’ in their rank. If you truely were a master+ level DPS player, or have the positioning on a main tank that pro casters would praise you for, you wouldn’t be stuck where you are, over a season of alot of playing you would notice alot of climbing till you meet players that are generally better than you, then you level off at the rank you deserve, and that is probably whats already happened and its the mental block that is keeping you there, if you are at a rank with around 50% win rate, that is the rank you deserve, nothing more nothing less. It is up to yourself to commit to actually learning and improving to get higher and stop blaming it on other people, because they are most likely experiencing the same thing as you.

The second you decide to stop and think about what you could of done better and focus about thinking more during the game is the second you will start to see improvement, and eventually gain those juicy sr points again.
Don’t be that guy that thinks he is better than everyone else, yet somehow at the same rank.

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I’ve noticed that good advice in the overwatch community doesn’t travel very far. You can try your best to help people understand the game a little better but it’s a fruitless endeavour.

It’s like the types of players who go in to QP and make fun of others for not doing great, or not trying to WINWINWIN.

These kinds of players will never understand the notion of QP being a care free, stress free, practice ground to try out heroes we might actually suck at in comp. To these types of people, every single games should only be about excellence and winning, and then you check their stats and they don’t even play comp. it’s just nuts but I just tell myself, we’re all different, variety is good, etc lol.

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It is also your fault

You’re right, but only in the sense that we’re dumb enough to keep playing.

You need to think about your flaws

“Unless you performed flawlessly you deserve to be in the exact same rank as a player who deliberately allows themselves to be eliminated by the enemy team and screams in the VC” Yeah no, the SR system is broken, not my fault.

Literally everybody that has played overwatch has encounters the same scenarios as you

That only proves how bad things are.

It isn’t luck

It is, in fact, luck, since players have no control over the matchmaker outside of 6-stacking.

The second you decide to stop and think about what you could of done better and focus about thinking more during the game is the second you will start to see improvement, and eventually gain those juicy sr points again.

This is a dangerous delusion you’re promoting: “just let the system abuse you, take it and accept that everything is your fault, and then you might see that number creep up by a couple points”. That’s what abusers in abusive relationships say.

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i got one acount perma locked at about 2600 sr and the other 2 are 3k+
matches are okish on them , but my old account the MMR is so messed up that it wont go above 2.7k even tho i always get 30 sr for wins. on that account everyone else is PRO lol .
the Matchmaker is Broken Period , the mmr system needs to be Cut off the game

ppl will start getting fed up from the abuse , and will move on

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No one performs flawlessly, every one experience throwers and trolls. People who improve will see them self starting to outperform the average player at their rank and climb to a new one.

Sure you may be lucky or unlucky in some games, which will see an increase or decrease in SR outside of your control. But throughout all your games, the unlucky ones should be counteracted by the lucky ones, leaving you with the ones you do control the outcome of. These are the games that slowly places you at your deserved rank.

I don’t believe at any point is it said that you should just take abuse.
It’s about realizing your mistakes so you can make an effort to improve your skills.
Understanding that you can make mistakes and giving in to abuse is not the same thing.

Sure the matchmaker may be flawed and frustrating. Many arguments can be made for it to be improved. But it does not prevent any one from climbing if they actually put in the time and effort, instead of coming with excuses.

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how i am supposed to beat a player 1000 Sr better than me?

cOmMuNiCaTiOn

that does not depends on me sir

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In the end the game is extremely unpleasant exactly because of these and it is not the player’s job to reduce their presence, it is Blizzard’s job.

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I know, and I hate it. But for some reason I keep on trying to play this game on the off chance I get some fun from it. I have quit 3 seasons a few games after placements from experiencing those little things game after game, having a diamond Q’d up with a gold on my rank up game on my team, being thrown into a group of 5 against a 6 stack and having them all stay in group chat and ignore me. I really do feel like a 2-2-2 role game finder could fix a few issues, and even possibly the option to disable your exact SR number, and have just the symbols could be good for the game, being able to toggle them if you really want to look but otherwise be able to play without that constant reminder you just lost 35 sr you need to get back because the duo on your team left after losing hard on the first round, the amount of times I ran into to people under performing because they are stressed about dropping down into a rank, or nervous and overthinking while trying to just pass the finish line into the higher rank is weird, its like a mental block some people get. You can get past all of the trash if you play alot, and I mean alot… But even when you get to that rank you wanted, it feels if almost it seems to get worse but in different ways, mainly with cocky people.

I know they can’t really stop you from losing SR if someone on your team DC’s, because that way one guy will take it for the team every game and abuse it. But they really need to do some sort of better system for stopping such, if you leave 8 games in a season ( not just getting DC’d from internet, but pressing the button and everything. ) Just lock you from playing competitive, something harsh that can stop this behaviour.

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People who improve will see them self starting to outperform the average player at their rank and climb to a new one.

I’m not looking to climb, I’m looking to maintain my current rank.

But throughout all your games, the unlucky ones should be counteracted by the lucky ones

Should be, but aren’t. To date I have yet to see any people actively throwing on the other team in a competitive match.

Understanding that you can make mistakes

I’m not demanding a GM rank I obviously don’t deserve, I’m demanding high quality games; two teams of 6 players who are all trying to win. Games where a player is not concerned with winning aren’t fun, and no amount of “you deserve your rank” is going to change that.

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Ya I hear you on that one better chances of not losing your mind coming on here start stuff and losing privilege on certain items like I did.

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Just to clarify, i was not talking about you specifically, i was talking about people in general.

That’s statistically near impossible. It is however harder to notice a thrower on the other team.

I just used GM as an example.
I also want quality games with 12 players who are trying to win, But this is not really what the whole argument has been about.
The thread talks about how it’s not impossible to climb even with this flawed system. The counter argument was made towards people who purely blame the system for their inability to climb.

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Good luck friend, it’s like trying to explain to a flat earther that there’s no conspiracy and that it’s scientifically impossible. Some people just won’t or simply can’t process the truth.

https://www.fastcompany.com/3063319/how-your-brain-keeps-you-believing-crap-that-isnt-true

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Yes it is difficult to change peoples minds if they strongly believe in something.
The best way to do so is through repeatedly exposing them to other ideas.
If nobody challenges your beliefs, you will keep believing even if you are wrong.
A single argument against a belief that has been build up through time, won’t change the mind of a person. But it will plant a seed of an idea that can grow the next time it’s exposed.

This is why i think it’s important to listen to arguments against your own belief and try to understand them. Ask questions if you are unsure about what is meant.
Only when you understand both sides can you come to a logical conclusion of which is more correct. But never accept your belief to be the only possibility.
Always be open to new ideas and weigh them against other possibilities.

I don’t expect any of my arguments to straight up change someones mind.
I simply hope that i can spark new ideas or better understanding of an issue.

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You have more force of will than me, I kinda give up after a few messages now, tried to make mercy mains understand that mercy was broken with her team rez before, ended up getting banned from the US forums…

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I just want to ask this because I read your sentence.

Let’s give you a scenario, shall we?

I’m playing Zenyatta, I’ve watched OWL and I’ve heard pro players say that main tank to be discorded most of the time, until he is dead. Well, that’s what I’ve been doing. Of course I switch to a target if, say I see my dps’s focusing on a support and I happen to catch where that support is located. But then I remove the discord from the main tank, which gives him an opportunity to remove the shield/move without being concerned about the discord.

Because my team didn’t focus the main tank that had a discord on, that Rein will now shatter my team and we will lose the point to the enemy.

I admit, maybe it’s all my fault because I ended up removing the discord from Rein, but what am I supposed to do when there’s no focus fire on the shield, or even pressure on Rein? The discord will end up in my pocket due to one of three reasons. 1) He cut LoS from me and it returned. 2) He got a Zarya bubble that removed it. 3) I moved it on another hero that either died or cut LoS from me. Of course I take the blame for something, if I actually was a part of it. But if I got picked early on by a flanker, and I’m currently on my way back to my team, how can it be my fault?

Now you may tell me “You shouldn’t have gotten picked by a flanker”, my aim is not the best, but I’m happy with it. I’ve won fights against flankers, I’ve lost them. But it’s not a 100% guaranteed win rate if a flanker dives me. My positioning maybe? There’s counter arguments to that, but otherwise I’ll end up arguing with my imagination, so I’ll give you a chance to say something.

This is not in anyway a way to attack, I am just questioning since you bothered to create such a thread. It’s always fun to see more POV’s.

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Do note that the people who tell you how easy climbing is and how you are to blame only yourself if you cant do it have smurfs. Imagine that, some smurf who destroys lower ranked players and climbs easily teaching you about climbing. I love it, irony at its finest.

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First of all, it’s not all your fault, usually never is and OP never said that.
But chances are that it’s partly your fault as well as faults with your team.

There’s a few things you can do in the situation you mentioned.

  1. communicate to your team that the main tank is discorded and they should focus on this target.
  2. keep track of the enemy shatter and communicate it to your team if you believe it’s ready.
  3. stay far enough back or near cover so you can avoid being shattered yourself, then save your team with transcendence.

If the enemy has a flanker, you need to make sure you are close enough to at least one teammate who can help peel for you. If this is forcing you into a really bad position, you can also ask a teammate to stay further back with you instead.
See if you can keep track of their location and call it out to your team.

Note that if the team doesn’t listen to your communication, unless you are whispering so they don’t hear you, or you communicate in a rude manner, then this is most likely not your fault.
The best you can do at this point is to do what you believe will benefit your team the most.

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Tough topic. What you say is true, however, the broken system only makes it worse. I’m so often in games where my junkrat or reaper doesnt switch vs the enemy pharmercy. What can you do in such a case? Switch off heals so you have 1 healer and go hitscan urself? Won’t work, you need 2 heals.
In pretty much every single game i see between 1 and 3 people that clearly underperform for their rank (low plat atm) And you know what? It’s almost always the dps players that refuse to switch or team up after they die.
Ironically if a game starts and 4 people instalock dps, 90% of those games are a loss.
A system in which you can drop/climb faster (so those people that dont belong , drop faster) or doing 20 placements instead of 10, plus role preference selection could help a lot.
Im an analyst in daily life and I can predict the outcome on alot of my matches by looking at profiles and picks. Sometimes you get the team where most of ur teammates have been losing sr bc they dont belong there. It cant be hard to factor that sort of parameters into their algorythm.
Its a teambased game and 1 or 2 weak links can really break the chain and there’s very little you can do about it.

Tldr: ur right, but the terrible matchmaking system only makes it worse

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I don’t think ive actually played with someone who isn’t a smurf yet, but blizzard are fine with it because who cares about he integrity of a competitive ranked system when smurfs can just keep giving them a cash injection every day.

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Thank you for your insightful post hucamey with weird characters in your name. Why don’t you start with why did you put weird characters in your name, like being a toxic troll.

Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to you.

The whole comp system is flawed and one of the main reason people start quitting this game. Regardless you stuck in this or that rank noone likes to lose, especially not in a row and if 4 instalock DPS or you have completely incompetent tracer/sombra on def topped up with a zero-kill-widow, throwers and toxic trolls then you will just start to get fed up.

This system only benefits pro groups who always play with their got used to premades. SoloQ is gambling, the odds are against you. You lose one game that takes the XP of 3 of your wins.

The time you waste on this garbage game is better well spent on sports or other useful activities.