It's hard to come back

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I stopped playing about 3 months ago as I was burnt out or tired of the game. I thought I would give it a break and come back after I have missed the game for a bit like I do with Warcraft, GTA etc.

Nothing has changed.

Homophobia is still rampant and Bliz is doing nothing about it.

Balancing is still crazy and it seems that no one wants these changes (Just leave Mercy Alone)

Still no Guild/Clan system. I guess they are saving it for rework of Titan? I can’t see any other reason why we would not have it yet.

Recycled modes every event, but new skins for us to buy boxes for. Bring out an expansion with a create your own hero, 5 Maps and new modes and everyone would buy it.

When you come back to do find some heroes to be out of place. You should remove them from the game as they are not fair or stupid.

Junkrat is a joke. I played mainly Junkrat ( Because of my low skill) but being able to spam a point from cover is ridiculous. I don’t really have to watch what i’m doing and get 1000 kills. His Ult is the same.

Hammond / Wrecking Tool whatever his name is should have been an April fools joke. No one likes him and no one plays him. Oh and the spinning on a pole on a point is the single most basic stupid mechanic you can put into a game.

Brig being able to take out a Rein shield is stupid. Rein covers the team walking in and a brig knocks out your shield and as a Rein you die…What? how was this allowed?

Healers need to be balanced, I am a low skill player who will get wrecked by a good Genji/ Doomfist / Hanzo and I except that as that is how it should be. But as a healer as a low skill player I will do more healing then a very good Ana. I get this game is low skill friendly which is good for me but that person playing out of their Skin as Ana should be a better pick then me on Mercy.

I know you don’t care about some gold scrub like me etc but these are my concerns as a player/customer of Blizzard.

I look forward to some announcements at BlizCon that will bring me back to a game I enjoyed so much for so long.

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  1. Yep, homophobia is still a problem.
  2. Balancing right now is definitely better than a year ago. Remember the Mercy meta?
  3. At least there’s LFG…
  4. Expansions often split player bases. I also don’t get the complaint about new modes. Retribution was not that long ago and great. Yeti Hunt was meh, but in between we had some attempts at ranked arcade modes. I still like the return of events that we’ve already had - some more than others.
  5. Noone plays Junkrat anyway, he’s basically a non-issue. Sure, he dishes out a lot of damage, but he doesn’t finish kills which makes him sub-par in the DPS slot. Sure, there’s a lot of him in bronze and silver, a bit in gold, but that’s where it stops.
  6. People still learn how to play Hammond, but he’s a great addition and great to have on your team. It’s a high skill cap hero with little transferable skill, so he just needs time for players to learn him properly. At higher skill levels he is played more often than Hog and Orisa though. Give him time. DF needed that as well. And I love having Hammond on my team as a tank partner.
  7. Brig right now is pretty average. One stun on Rein doesn’t kill him, even Sombra is far more disruptive there. Also, she’s the 2nd least picked support (only Zen gets picked less).
  8. Supports are really balanced, especially amongst each other. Plenty of options to deal with flankers these days, although I will grant you that DF is an issue these days. Requires communication, but that’s the case either way.
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How on earth do people even fall victim to homophobia? The other players know sh1t about you so it shouldn’t be a deal at all… unless you just scream that you’re g4y. Then it’s just your own stupidity to “fall victim” to homophobia…

Also, this thread is rather misleading. Reading the first paragraph, i thought it is about getting bored of a game, not a rant on what’s frustrating. All points by the OTP can be countered and explained, too, just like how Myrion did.

Only the first point is something I disagree.

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offended by love? wow :slight_smile:

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They are not offended by love, you are just offended by reality.

“Homophobia” is not the actual issue of this game. The real problems are people being bullies, looking for every weakness to hurt you. It doesn’t matter if you are fat, g4y, straight, single, a mercy main, casual player, tryhard, dogperson, etc. If they can use it as a weapon, they will.

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When people use the word “g4y” to mean “negative”, it’s homophobia, pure and simple.

Also, if you don’t tolerate people due to their sexuality, you are an abhorrent human being and a whining snowflake, offended by love. Pathetic.

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If you use any word to mean “negative”, you are an 4ssh0le, pure and simple.

By definition, both of you are homophobic, too, because both of you abuse the on your preconception based inferiority of homosexual people to deny other people’s opinions. Now quit your bullsh1t and look at the broader picture.

The problem is that people are insulting, not that people are homophobic. Homophobia is just one symptom of the disease. Remedying a symptom without curing the disease will still kill the patient.

My main grudge of this argument is that the focus is on homophobia only, not insults and disrespect in general. As a g4y person, I don’t give a damn when someone calls me a f4ggot.

“Yeah, I’m g4y. Got a problem? Afraid that I’m gonna get your booty?”

If someone insults me, I report and move on. Doesn’t matter if they call me f4ggot, f4tso, tryhard, noob, m0therfaker or b1tch. An insult is still an insult and should be treated as an insult.

I bet you want to try to call me homophobic because I call myself g4y to strenghen my argument. I say it to show that it doesn’t matter. The Difference between you and me is that I don’t see g4y people as inferior, even if they have less rights around the word. I don’t care about s3xuality, I don’t care about gender, I don’t care about race, I don’t care about anything. People are people and should be treated equally. Thus Insults are insults and should be treated equally.

Sincerly, a g4y person.

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The gay thing does get thrown around as an insult A LOT, it’s what made me stop going into chat. But I take comfort in the fact, that usually these prepubescant males are just jealous of my mad skills, innit?

I’ve never heard a female shout YOURE GAAAAY! YOU FREAKIN FAG!! IM GONNA KILL YOUUU!!! In chat before but I’ve had several young males do exactly that!

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True, any type of insult is an issue, but that doesn’t counter the fact that people who use “gay” as an insult are by definition homophobic. Calling people who use that argument homophobic however is the classic “I’m not racist, you’re racist for calling me racist” deflection people like to use when they have no actual argument.

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My argument was never that homophobia doesn’t exist. My argument was that adressing homophobia ignores the root of tge problem, which is disrespectful and insulting players.

The racist deflection didn’t happen serena, too because my argument wasnt:

You are homophobic because you called someone homophobic.

My argument was:

You are homophobic because you used the victim card

Using homosexual people as a victim card is homophobic because in order to do so, you have to believe that homosexual people are inferior than heterosexual people, making them the victims.

No matter what excuses you use, you are homophobic by definition. You don’t want to be called homophobic? Then stop playing the victim card and think outside the box!

Most players don’t use “f4ggot” because they are homophobic. They use it because they know it will hurt you. If f4ggot doesn’t work, they look for other insults to hurt you. Thinking someone is homophobic because they insulted you with a homophobic slur is very close minded.

Again, I’m not saying that homophobia doesn’t exist. I’m saying that you have to address the disease, not the symptom. You have to address insulting players, not homophobic slurs.

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People often don’t like other people who are too different. There is no exception - only the individual threshold is different when it comes to tolerance. Everyone is hated for something. Certain things are controversial and divisive (politics, religion, sexuality, racism, etc…) so making them the subject of conversation during gameplay is a very bad idea.

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Why are some people insulting people however they want in forums and no one does anything? If they did this in game they would have been perma banned.

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Homophobia, just like racism, sexism, etc, it all falls under “stupidity”…

but so does your post too I’m afraid.

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Really?
You seriously expect people to subdue themselves for the fear of other’s bigoted reaction?
Being open about who you are makes you stupid as it’s your own fault to “fall victim,” to homophobia?
Someone saying they’re gay is not the problem it’s the reaction of the homophobics and trolls. Whether someone announces voluntarily that they are gay or it happens to spring up in the course of the conversation during a game is neither here nor there, being harassed for it is NOT acceptable. You’re just adding to the problem with such statements as " unless you just scream that you’re g4y. Then it’s just your own stupidity to “fall victim” to homophobia…"

I’m openly gay. Now go ahead and abuse me and insult me, after all I just announced it. It’s my own fault, isn’t it? You really think so? No, I thought not.

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You can do whatever you want as long you accept the consequences. If you want to be open with sexuality, expect to be confronted. There are people who are intolerant towards specific groups of people and you will meet them eventually.

When I tell people that I’m g4y, I’m prepared to be greeted with intolerance. However, I don’t run around crying that people are homophobic because it was my fault that this topic even occurred. I “fell victim” to homophobia because I let people allow to share their opinion. Expecting that you won’t be confronted is plain stupid, which is why it’s your own stupidity to “fall victim” to homophobia.

Here’s the Thing: I tolerate intolerance. I only take action if that intolerance is breaking rules and Law, which is the main issue here. People can share homophobic opinions with me but if they start to be disrespectful and insulting in the game, I treat them like any other insult: Report and move on.

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No, it wasn’t YOUR FAULT.
You’ve just become accustomed to intolerance and have flipped the blame around to include yourself.
Maybe because you’re the type of person who analyses to the point you’ve over thought it and reasoned to the point you’re looking at the bigot’s pov and considering it to much.
The point is, no you didn’t have to do that and any people, persons or alternative identifiers should not be met with bigotry in any walk of life, announced or not.
You’re just accepting the status quo and nothing will change doing so.

BTW I’m not g4y I just said that for impact, I’m just a liberal that doesn’t accept abuse is our should be normal. It wasn’t that long ago g4y men were jailed and that would have remained the same if people just accepted it and made excuses .

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You are literary the opposite of what a liberal should be. First, you are absolutely intolerant to other peoples opinion, no matter whether they are controversial and ethical. Second, you literary abused the “inferior” position of homosexual people to strengthen your point. Stop with that pity because it’s homophobic by definition.

“I’m g4y but it’s not my fault that I fell victim to homophobia”. Absolute nonsense! What you don’t seem to get is that I don’t put double standards. Just like people confront me for being G4y, I confront them for not liking homosexual people. Every time you share your opinion, you have to be prepared to be confronted. As long you share your opinion in a civilized manner, you shouldn’t suffer from legal consequences.

That’s the point of freedom of speech: to share your opinion in a civilized manner. People can tell me that they don’t like homosexuals and I can tell them that they’re wrong. They can’t play the victim because it’s their fault that I confronted them, just like it’s my fault when they confronted me.

So stop with this “liberal” nonsense. You are just suggesting censorship! Keeping people silent because they have an opinion you don’t like. And as a legit g4y person, the worst thing I want from people is their pity. I don’t need your pity because I can handle things myself!

Now then let’s get things straight (pun intended). Everyone has the right to share their opinion as long they don’t hurt others and accept the consequences. This counts to both G4y people and homophobic people. It counts for everyone. So treat everyone equally! Treat an opinion just like every other opinion! Treat an insult as every other insult!

Treat every human being as a human being!

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Really?

Because I’ don’t agree with you or other’s opinions doesn’t make me intolerant of them, I didn’t even hint at that, you just plucked that from thin air.
Allow me to quote Hall “I disapprove of what you say , but I will defend to the death your right to say it”. Not that I should have to defend MYSELF because you say I’m intolerant, but ironically, I must be so, in your opinion at least. Which I’m not, ad infinitum.

I didn’t say homosexuals are inferior either, I merely said I was a homosexual to add impact to my point. You can misconstrue that all you want, doesn’t change the fact that I never said they were. So, lead on MacDuff, you’re evidently just argumentative and lack insight to what people are actually saying.
You’re a bag of wind.

Funny thing is, I can just envisage your cursor hanging over the report button right now. So tolerant of you.

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No, my mouse isn’t hovering over the report button. More Importantly, I need to apologize. Sorry for attacking your in a personal way. You have nothing to do with the topic itself yet I used ad hominems because I thought it would weaken your point.

It was just so upsetting to hear how I should tolerate people. When you told me, a ga4 guy how I should treat homophobic people, something just snapped.

I called you intolerant against intolerance because you said that you don’t accept abuse. Yet we are talking about opinions, something you can say freely. We are not talking about insult, verbal or physical abuse. We are talking about opinions and you said that you don’t accept those, which made me assume that you were intolerant.

The “you are homophobic” thing was because you used the “homosexual” card with your “victim” card:

I told you that I can’t be a victim because when I tell people I’m g4y, I provoke the confrontation. However, in order to strengthen your counter of homosexual people being victims, you claimed that you are homosexual yourself. In order to use the “victim card”, you have to assume that homosexual people are inferior, thus the “victim”. This is why, in my opinion, your argument was homophobic by definition.

Here’s what I don’t understand from you. You literary quoted what I believe in:

If you support that quote, too, then why do you the exact opposite to homophobic opinions? They are opinions and you have the right to say it as long you don’t hurt anyone. Again, I’m not talking about insults or abuse, I’m talking about opinions.

And for the topic of homophobic insults. They are just insults, they aren’t more devastating than any other insult because each of those insults are used for the same purpose: to hurt you the most. This is why I see “f4ggot” as devastating as “m0therf8cker”.

All insults are used to hurt me as much as possible

This is why I treat racial and homophobic slurs like any other. They are, at their core, just insults.

Lastly, about the stupidity issue. Imagine a kid with a stick and a dog. The kid pokes the dog for whatever reason and the dog attacks the kid. Is the kid really innocent? No, because the kid provoked the dog by poking the dog. If you are their parent, what would you say?

You shouldn’t have poked the dog with a stick. What you did was stupid.

The same logic applies to the homophobic slur issue. You can’t cry that those people are mean because you provoked them to insult you with homophobic slurs. If you haven’t said that you were g4y, they would insult you in other ways. It is simply your own stupidity, that you expected no confrontation when telling them you’re g4y, which lead to homophobic slurs.

It is even a double stupidity because why would you tell people that you’re gay if you can’t endure the confrontation? Why do you show bullies your weaknesses? That’s plain stupid, no matter how you look at it.

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Announcing you’re g4y and receiving abuse is different from poking a dog with a stick.
A dog is an animal that will react on instinct, human’s know better, even the homophobes.
There’s a major difference between not just “tolerating” what someone has to say or a valid, civilised opinion (such as the famous Hall quote) and outright abuse for being just who you are. that’s what you’re failing to get. It doesn’t matter if you volunteer your sexuality, to be abused for it is wrong. That’s different to someone saying “hey you said you were g4y and I disagree with that!” as that’s nmot what’s happening. what’s happening is simple base abuse for someone being who they are and that’s wrong. That’s not intolerant. We do not tolerate nor accept murderers, criminals, etc and abusing someone for their sexuality is the same. It’s wrong and it doesn’t make you intolerant for for not accepting it.
I understand what you’re saying, it’s wrong to be intolerant of the intolerant, that makes you as bad as them in your eyes.
It doesn’t make you less liberal for not accepting what can only be described as an extreme.