i was a genji tracer main last season and when i tried both of them this season i realized its pretty much garbage :// it actually feels so bad that the 2 heros that you put so much time to get better on are unplayable and waste of hours.
probably some of you will just say that they are not unplayble you can still play them
well the thing is that either you get flamed for just picking tracer or you pretty much throw and be useless because you die to shield bash that isnt easy to avoid
briggite creates so much space to her team especially against a tracer/ genji its pretty much too risky to flank since you know there is a huge girl with a mini reinhardt shield and upgraded mccree flashbang waiting to absolutly SMASH you
i think im not the only one feeling like the meta made a complete swap to this slow hanzo zarya meta
and i will be honest ive never been that bored from overwatch ever since ive started playing.
time to play only qp : D it was fun while it lasted
At the moment Flanks are hit hard for sure, but that’s primarily because Brig has so much play time in the competitive ladder.
And why does she have a lot of play time ?
Majority of the players, haven’t realized how not to feed into her needs, and play Overwatch like they have been playing it since the beginning. With time when players higher up the ladder realize how to actually play against her, flankers like Genji and Tracer will have more play time.
Remember play strats always trickle down from the highest level of players in the game down the ladder to the lower ones. The highest level of players in the game today are at OWL, and the community (at least the higher ladder players - mid tiers) is learning from them all the time.
Genji and Tracer was played a lot lot more than Brig ever was played in the last 3 days of OWL. So considering that I believe with time when the community figures out what the guys at OWL did, things will normalize with the flanker picks.
I’ve seen quite a number of good Tracer/Genji successfully play around Brigitte. What you need to realize is that she’s useless outside of melee range.
When the enemy team picks Brigitte, you always, ALWAYS want to know her position. As soon as you see her engaging somebody else, move in to pick the second support or a DPS.
Brigitte feels a lot of pressure if your team has a Widowmaker or a Roadhog. Sadly they are rarely picked these days. Still, distraction is key. Just as you don’t charge into a watchful McCree, you definitely don’t charge into a Brigitte. Only do that if she’s focused on something else.
Usually as Brigitte my main concerns are the enemy Reinhardt, all enemy flankers, enemy Brigitte, Roadhog trying to hook my teammates, my other support/s. As of current meta, Reinhardt is the only consistently played hero, therefore, you might want to wait for him distracting her before making your move.
Oh and only, only pick on her if she’s under a lot of pressure and engaged by one of your teammates, sometimes enemy Tracers think it’s clever to attack me when I’m low on life just to get the mace in the face and allow me to heal back up. As Genji you might try to throw a few shurikens at her, but only from a safe distance.
Another thing when fighting against a Brigitte comp while on defense of an objective being, use your ranged heroes to keep poking on the the death ball comp while they are making there way to the point.
Do not wait for the Brigitte comp to get to the point and brawl it out, because then they are going to win. Instead use your ranged dps heroes to keep poking at the comp from odd angles… By odd angles I mean angles around them. You could even use multiple cross angles to keep poking at them while they are slowly making there way to the point. Junkrat, Pharah are great at this to keep spamming.
And finally when the Brigitte comp gets to the point, the tanks need to back up a bit, and let the dps do the work. The primary idea being to try and deny the Brigitte any value by not getting into brawls with her. When that happens the enemy team is almost at a 5 man mode because there Brig is doing absolutely nothing then.
In control maps, where both teams need to get on the point, the idea of fighting the Brig comp is to not race for the point right away at the start, but the tanks need to play the waiting game, while the dps needs to go super aggressive from range to start poking at the enemy. If the tanks and the supports don’t go running on to point and start brawling right away then the dps will be able to get picks. Rein can keep fire striking the Brig, and since fire strike goes through shields, it’s pretty hard for the Brig to gain any value.
So yeah the play style against a Brig comps, that’s usually grouped up together, is to keep attacking them from multiple directions, and not giving them too much brawl time. Using ranged heroes to keep constantly getting picks.
Of course i stay out of her range tho you need to understand that if you want to atleast annoy the supports you need to be atleast in medium range to deal abit of damage.
her shield bash takes her forward abit so she is too risky to even try getting clsoe to one of her supports.
and honestly her Armor fucked all hitscans without high burst damage
meaning soldier mccree tracer and more are pretty useless
Yeah, that’s why you want to wait for her to be distracted by your frontline. She can’t be everywhere, that’s the point.
You have to force her to either pull back to defend her second/third support and allow your frontline to push, or to lose it.
Basically it’s not about dealing lots of damage and getting dat gold medal, it’s about annoying the enemy team, distract them, and only actually strike when an opportunity arises, like when your Reinhardt charges in and the enemy team is all “lolol Rein is here quick all stun him and kill him”. That’s when you take out their support.
All my arguments are heavily based around your team actually doing their job, which is something you can’t always expect. That’s why I think Brigitte actually smashes everything at the lowest SR.
If your frontline is doing what a frontline is supposed to be doing, all of this works. If they just stand back and wait for nobody knows what, you might as well just switch off any flanker, pick a Soldier, Bastion or whatever and play the waiting game.
Fuel,
The only thing she wrecks in GM is tracers, which I see you play. So don’t complain about it, either step up your tracer play to avoid Brig, or change to another hero.
I know these all sound like Grandmaster and Overwatch League like maneuvers and tactics, but with practice (and working fingers) you should be able to pull them off!
Sarcasm aside: You do realise you’re crying over not being able to play your mains versus their hard counter, right? A hero who is useless dead weight against some compositions and not even viable in certain team setups and a hero who’s easily put out of commission by something as simple as going up some stairs…
A hero who has 10 counters off the top of my head, most of them hard counters to her even, who has to actually hit something in melee range in order to get some healing going without having to turn her back or lower the shield for her E…
Fuel who care’s if she has a 1 v 1 potential, Overwatch isn’t Quake were 1 v 1 skills reins supreme (other than in Death match mode). It’s rather surprising hearing this come from a high level player like your self. You play her, from range. Do not let her brawl, and you’ll notice on a lot of maps she won’t be effective. That said she has her areas of effectiveness and situations. The match making ladder in general are still learning about this.
Like I said they will learn to play against a Brig with time. All the meta’s that were set by the pro’s in OWL then became meta for the guys in the ladder…
Be it Dive, Triple Tank, Quad Tank, Death Ball Comps all of these were not invented in the ladder… They were invented by the pro’s that then trickled down the ladder. So watch what’s happening in OWL right now and don’t blow it off with the “I don’t care what happens in OWL, but only the ranked ladder” statement.
4,5,6,7,9,10 are straight up lies. The other ones only work if they have the range advantage.
Also I love how the guy you are talking to is almost GM, you are low gold and you are giving him advice he might not be able to take advantage of. Damn…
I’m sorry, but I’m going to side with Star in this one. He might be gold, but he brings up some valid points.
Brigitte isn’t OP, she is just something different from the supports we’re used to. I played my fair amount of Brigitte and I’ve seen flankers playing around me.
Also, I think that hero list is fairly accurate IF said heroes know how to counter her.
About Roadhog - a lot can be said about the Brigitte vs Roadhog matchup since they both kinda counter each other… BUT! Brigitte only counters Roadhog if he uses his abilities the wrong way (like, hooking anybody other than Brigitte, expecially with no ally nearby, or trying to heal while Brigitte is in his melee range). If Roadhog knows how to deal with Brigitte, he’s able to put A LOT on pressure on her.
About Reaper specifically, I don’t know why he thinks he’s a counter to her since she can stun his ult and, in general, whip him away. As long as she doesn’t actually try to kill him, she’s not threatened by him.
But about all the others? That’s absolutely true. Those heroes just wreck her… and Reinhardt + Hanzo are just in about every game as of current meta, so.
I know right?! It’s almost an indication how SR really has no bearing on whether or not you can apply common sense, watch videos on the subject or just be able to make a sound argument without having to stoop to a kindergarten level where you run a background check on someone to discredit them based on things that are completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
Just like how it’s almost sad that you have, what, 3k SR, and don’t know how to counter a Gitte with a Reinhardt or a Junkrat (hint: It’s one of the buttons on your mouse), which further proves the point that SR has relatively little to do with being able to make a sound argument.
You don’t have anything worthwhile to argue the points I’ve made with so you just run for the Hector the Profile Inspector-approach to sound edgy, again. Crawl back into your pit of selfpity, you sound like a broken record
Reaper is a tricky one, but many good Reaper players are opportunistic and with his recent wraith cancel it’s a matter of
Baiting a shield bash. You can expect a Brigitte’s first reaction to a close threat like Reaper to be bashing it. Wraith it, place shotgun on face, pull trigger.
Slithering in after bash has been used
Being able to continue harassment after a whip using Wraith Form
Reaper makes for a fine counter to Gitte for the same reasons Reinhardt and D.va are; because of their massive damage output in Gitte’s swinging range and the ability to be a nuisance. Reaper hasn’t got quite the health pool for it, but he does have the kit to either bait her skills, rendering them harmless, and the ability to potentially oneshot her if, like with D.va, tracking is on par.
I understand Reaper sounds like a dubious pick for a counter to Gitte and that’s why I’d refer to it as a soft counter rather than a hard one, because of the ifs and buts attached, but a good, opportunistic Reaper player can destroy Gitte in an instant.
EDIT: I also totally forgot how Ana, while technically not a real hard counter, can shut Brigitte down with a bionade, effectively turning her into a squishy Reinhardt, and Doomfist, who can CC and DPS right through her shield, can also be considered counters to Gitte…
If you were any sort of good at the game you would not be low gold sorry to say. What your common sense amounts to is simple empty theorycrafting with no bearing on the actual gameplay. You are full of words without any actual substance.
GekirtiZ,
Nice argument, about SR vs making a sound discussion. I totally agree.
SR can just mean someone’s mechanically superior, but that doesn’t equate to intelligence, which is often what matters when it comes to making a sound argument.
Right, because my SR prevents me from watching any video content or the OWL on the matter.
If I were to sit down and play comp for a while and grind to 3k SR, you’d suddenly and magically take back all objections you had about Brigitte, because the person making the point is now no longer gold but a diamond too?
How is that not the very definition of lacking substance and being full of hot air?
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