Support role is team depedant , and don’t come with the “oh if you are good enough you can solo carry” that’s bs why here is why :
If you have to play your brains out in a silver game mostly playing like a diamond or plat player just to get out of silver that itself says the game as a support is team dependant , because you have to be worth at least 4 players in wich that itself says your team is bad so you gonna have impossible to near impossible games.
And even sometimes let’s imagine you are indeed playing extremely well what if both dps in your team can’t land the shots? What if your tanks are not doing their jobs or the hog player is hooking tanks instead of dps/healers? What if you have throwers or leavers??? What you gonna do activate aim bot in a zenyata and headshot everyone???
I already tried everything , i left the healbot mentality , i do my picks when i have to do them, i kill when i have the chance to do so , i mostly leave my team always healthy as possible unless of course a random winston in critical state decides to jump in a 1vs5 without waiting to be healed and then complain “0 heals” , i change depending on the situation and my team picks, i talk in voice asking players to focus healers or dps or heroes with anti heals (and mostly get screamed at saying im anoying and i should stfu) idk what to do anymore any tips apreaciated but don’t come with the myth support can carry , no you can’t unless you’re a diamond smurf or something with insane aim bot in your head im not gonna waste my time trying to reach diamond sklil just to get out of silver that’s just broken, also i believe the myth but that’s when symm or mercy were the way they were at that time yes i believe healers could carry alone but we are not in that time anymore
It’s the same as any role.
You can play well and lose. But you can also play badly and be the reason you lose.
You can’t however control what others are doing, so all you can do is focus on doing the best you can. And if opportunities arise to pop off crop up. Take them. If you can’t carry games, could be that you’re now too high/at your peak. Not that you can’t.
What rank you are is irrelevant, no one’s going to be interested if you go up or down. So just enjoy playing. If you’re not enjoying, that’s the big issues that needs action
Also, if you’ve been in silver for a long time, you have a lot to improve on to make diamond. There is quite the skill gap between the 2.
Your experience of Comms is common in low elo, I had it happen last night. And the poor dude making calls was actually giving good information (which is pretty rare). People sadly just want to play death matches.
i think it is possible to climb as support, it just takes more games because not every match is gonna be possible for a support to excert the amount of skill to push your team to win.
really if you’re doing better than the other teams supports is all you can really strive for, even if you’re in a bad position.
it’s a numbers game, if you play above average for the bracket you’re in, it will show sooner or later in the outcome of your rank.
but here’s the thing, the skill floor is pretty easy to be at as a support for doing the minimum amount of effort to do the role, which means you could possibly relax more so than other roles and still do what is asked out of you, however it also means it’s gonna take more skill to be something out of the ordinary than possibly other roles.
this is why i consider the support role to be the easiest and hardest role to play, easy because the bare minimum is very accesible but very hard to do anything more than what everyone else is probably already doing, to basically break the skill ceiling to go beyond it.
healbot mentality as a support is bad, if you can prevent damage from coming in in the first place that means your healing is going to be more effective overall, so no you can’t heal every problem away, it’s just a part of the toolkit at your disposal, to get blinded to only think it’s the only thing you need to do is just fooling yourself into believing the support role to be synonymous with healer, which it isn’t.
but thinking a support can do more is to be woefully misguided in how supports plays, they are the only team members that actively have to assist the rest of the team in their every action, and so the teams ability to perform limits the amount of skill a support is able to put out.
It’s possible to climb on any role, from any rank.
You just have to be willing to put the effort in.
Depending on where you are, your end goal will need different amounts of effort. But anyone can do it if they put the work in.
The question should always, how much time and effort am I willing to put it… With that answer, what is actually realistic.
If you’re playing 8 hours a day, every day. With vod reviews… You should be able to achieve any rank.
If you’re like me, few hours a couple of evenings a week, sustaining is about the best I can realistically do.
Unrealistic expectations lead to people becoming disillusioned and potentially toxic. As you’ll see from all the post of people thinking the system is against them somehow.
It’s a team based game so carrying to rank up should never be a thing, but it is because OW ranking system is fundamentally broken, and it’s trying to evaluate individuals trough team performance stats. It’s just dumb.
The entire player judgement is done via win/loss condition, not via personal/solo performance, and that’s a massive issue because you will always be judged incorrectly.
So you are saying you shouldn’t be silver?
Legitimate question… What rank do you think you should be? Just DPS as Junk is your main.
well it depends what you mean effort, then it takes more effort to rank up as support if you mean by the definition of just grinding out more games so the algorithm recognize your true rank.
if you are currently gold rank but in actuality a diamond player that just means you haven’t played enough games where the algorithm haven’t placed you where you should be yet.
if that is what you mean by effort.
if you mean by effort that you mean you are simply not skilled enough to climb that’s a different definition which means that you do think people climb ranks at proportional to speed regardless of role.
then at this point you don’t believe there is a role discrepancy at all or that there are other factors at play that makes it even.
for example, it might be harder to climb as a support unless if the fact that there are less supports overall which means you have less people to compete for a higher rank making it easier to gain rank which negates the first circumstance.
that’s another definition.
Let me break your premise on the myth:
Nobody solo carries in this game. At least not systematically or consistently. No one.
Support is a role that has multiple tasks, but they are simple tasks. If you start playing Support like a DPS that heals, you will see a HUGE difference.
Supports NEED to add damage to the mix and since they dont add as much as a tank or a DPS, the difference is INSANE. When you have a Support on the enemy team that is dealing damage to your team and not letting your flankers do their job comfortably … but your support is passive (both of them) you are in a BIG disadvantage.
Yep, the team which has very active multitasking healers is much stronger compared to teams where healers just heal. There are even Mercy players who are going out of their way to juggle healing/boost with their own DPS, and they gain kill without taking hit on healing.
Ana is one of the best examples of wasted potential when only used to heal. She can snipe air/flankers, CC divers, stop healing on an entire enemy team if naded properly, and she has overall very good zone control potential, but then most of the time people just stand behind the corner and spam primary attack to heal, and that’s it, lol
The same goes for tanks, because there are plenty of tanks who play in a very passive way, and just hold the shield while waiting for other team members to do something.
just to clarify im not interested in reaching diamond , just not gonna put effort in playing my brain out like diamond players and be able to hit everything or almost everything just to get out of silver not to mention i don’t got that time and i know very well i don’t have the skill as well im just average i think if i really try the max i can get is plat with tanks and dps but support oof… just don’t know what to do anymore , im just sick of seing accounts with almost thousands of hours and playing like it’s their first honestly those type of players should realise they should stick with quick plays honestly it’s more casual especialy if they don’t learn while they play
They are more than allowed to play ranked too.
You sound like you just want to chill and play games, so don’t worry about your team mates. You cant do anything if they play badly, you can only control what you do.
Telling people what modes they can and can’t play, just because you don’t like them isn’t good.
it’s these players that consitute bronze to gold rank, without them the new bronze would be plat players and every rank would shift down to accomodate this.
yeah fair point , nice perspective
Your assertion “it’s BS to say if you’re good enough you can solo carry” is routinely and easily countered by the fact that people DO climb VERY easily as support players. Go look at ANY Top 500 Support. They could carry your game. The rest of the complaint is about needing to over-perform, but that’s also not true. If you’re in Silver on support, then you’re a Silver support. Take a look at your basics. are you dying too much? That’s common when I coach low rank support players. Maybe watch ML7’s review of a Bronze/Silver Ana player’s vod, it’s nice and informative.
Ye you wont climb as Mercy no matter how good you are, you gotta be able to play supports like Zen or Lucio that can actually enable a team.
there’s a lot of people who are playing the game right as supports in lower ranks, it’s just that they are supporting bronze-gold rank people who aren’t doing that well.
that’s kinda why you see dps lucios and dps moiras etc because that’s really the only way some supports can win and climb until they reach a rank where they aren’t able to get away with that kind of shenanigans.
killing is the name of the game and if your team isn’t good at killing, then it becomes your job to make up the difference. 
This is partly why I play Moira as support.