The only people not being constructive here are the ones telling people to shut up. This is a completely indefensible thing to say when the entire purpose of the forum is to debate this stuff.
I don’t get why you care to begin with. How is it in any way harming you? The only people making fools of themselves are the ones who come to a forum whose purpose is to debate the design and balance of the heroes and expect people to not be debating the design and balance of the heroes, because they find it “annoying”.
There are probably other motives at play and maybe you should ponder on what those motives might be before trying to shut people down. You might realise that what you’re actually doing is trolling. You can’t bully people out of debating on the forum and somehow justify yourself with “They were being annoying”. Honestly, the things I read on here sometimes.
I know exactly how all the healers work , played support just as much as i played dps , and I’m not here to argue with you. You totally missed my point of view.
W.e this happened when they removed the toxic mass resurrect its happening again it will die down. Douth that they will buff a hero that has 90% pick rate for Esport.
Even if they do, they will see why its bad and tune it down. Since its bad for the image of a competitive game to have the least mechanically demanding hero be the most consistent with pick and win rate.
Not to mention that this nerf was added to separate Zen and Mercy by reducing the healing that team comp has. So i doubt that they will add more healing, they might just buff something else about her.
Non the less looking at how Blizzard treats low skill cap heroes i’m optimistic about Mercy. Since Torb and Sym have the same problem but they got converted to a ratter skillful hero cause balancing low skill cap is impossible without making them oppressive for everyone whos not “pro” or make them to weak for “pro’s” to use.
Umm mine was, infact my main was considered a troll pick for a whole year, I’d get reported and flamed to switch off… Ana players were forced to play Mercy.
Thing is meta changes it shifts and now it’s Mercy’s turn… later on it’ll also shift the difference is I have the patience and understanding that not all heroes will be perfect all the time and I also have the ability to go to spawn and switch off if it doesn’t work out.
So don’t come at me and tell me “why not let it be the hero you love” cause hun it’s been 12 months of my hero being an F tier and you’re complaining and whining when Mercy was dominating every single support and it hasn’t been a month of Mercy not being a must pick anymore.
So since you wanna remind me? Go ahead I’ve already been through it on more than one hero I main.
i don’t play mercy and even i know that she is bad.
low healing (not enough to sustain team fights let alone healing tanks)
no utility besides a rez every 30s, that can be interrupted
and an ult that’s pretty much a glorified weaker zen ult.
there inst a point picking her over the other supports at the moment
Sorry, but she isn’t she can’t heal enough to sustain her team and can’t even outheal Winston anymore. I’m fine if they don’t revert her but atleast give her back her healing.
I actually have been hearing this a lot “she can’t out heal a winston anymore” she does 50 hp/s a winston does 60 damage/s right? (Correct me if I’m wrong about winston) so basically he’s doing 10 damage/s so technically he needs 20 seconds to kill his target if Mercy is pocketing them that assuming that target is 200 hp(Correct me if my math is wrong) if a hero cannot kill a winston within 20 seconds they deserve to die.
Just to add I do think currently Mercy is weaker than Ana… but she’s not a throw pick and she does still work… does she work everytime? No she doesn’t.
What about the mercy player then? they deserve to play a very poor healer that can’t do anything other than heal? and on top of that watch all their teammates die? Play another character? why don’t you play character you don’t like cause the one you do play most often is trash now?
Thanks.
Kiwi i don’t know what game you are playing but it is clearly not the same one we are. The heal reduction is not about winston… it is about mercy as a healer that now heals almost as badly as Zen but unlike Zen has nothing else to offer except becoming a statue for 2 seconds trying to ress people rewarding awful gameplay by giving them a second chance and suiciding most likely to do so.
If that makes her balanced… why are the other supports so fun to play in comparison? and so useful?
Lets list it out again cause i know you love reading this stuff.
Briggita can destroy the entire enemy team if they don’t focus her down. Healer ? more like badass stun monster with old symmetras gun that splits to everyone in front of her to deal aoe dmg. Single handedly capable of going through your entire team 1 by 1 and basically raping them to death while self healing and on top of that not only providing shields for her teammates with her ult but also capable of throwing people off the map like lucio and with a single button press without much aim or effort giving someone with 200 hp full health and some armor as well from the other side of the map. Mercy sound really op compared to that.
Let’s continue shall we. Moira. Beloved moira that everyone complains is so difficult to play and heal(sarcastically of course cause she is still broken af) because she has a resource meter that prevents from ONLY healing and poor moira has to deal some dps once in a while which is super easy to do with her lock on ability on her main attack. While sucking on everyone not only does she heal herself she can at the same time throw a healing orb that continues to aoe heal her teammates while she is vamping out on unsuspecting targets and if she is too busy pissing her yellow rain on her entire team, which again requires so much effort and mechanical skill to just turn around in any direction where anyone might be on screen and holding left click, and she still wants to dps at the same time just toss one of them purple orbs that everyone starts screaming when one if following them and trying desperately to get away from cause if your alone and its path and have 200 hp that orb can deal that exact amount especially if you are stuck in a room with it alone and can’t get out in time. I won’t even mention much about the ult that lets her both get play of the game almost every game if used properly that allows her to heal and deal dmg to everyone in range. Again that mercy nightmare… so op yet compared to this so terrible.
Next!
Ana that everyone loves so much and complains that it’s so hard to aim. Teammates unlike enemies don’t run away from you or try to dodge your shots unless they are tracer and genji that are completely oblivious to what’s happening and often times move too fast for you to keep up with. So what am i getting at? So unless you are completely incapable of just spamming your left click on fatties on your team standing right next to you where most of your value and healing output goes to anyway i don’t know what to say you might actually need new hands or glasses. She also has a very unique heal which might not be as bursty as brigittas but if i’m not mistaken every shot is like 70 hp? at least. But she needs to reload! yes but at the same time if your tank is about to die you just toss one of them grenades on him, which again i don’t know how you can miss someone with that splash area(including enemies), and then proceed to give them full hp with like 2/3 body shots cause it increases your healing even further for several seconds. Speaking of which that same grenade can be used to both heal you and destroy so many flankers trying to get you unless it’s a one shot from doomy. Now we’re getting to the last juicy part which is her sleep dart. It’s … soooo… hard to land… and she doesn’t have escapes! booo… she can heal from the other side of the map and has so many awesome abilities both offensively and defensively and can even snipe enemies again from the other side of the map… terrible… she needs movement ability on top of that to be broken like we want her to. Cryyy cryy… cry… So much fun to play but yet… if only it was easier to land an OP ability like sleep dart that can render certain characters in and out of ulting situations completely useless for 6(!) seconds which is an eternity in overwatch time especially during a team fight. That just leaves us with her ult which does what? brings a character to full hp instantly and makes both deal more dmg and receive less. Now she sounds really underpowered to me not like that bitch mercy that’s been dumping on everyone while doing nothing and running away till she dies.
Let us move on to Lucio.
Lucio has the most broken mobility in game which he can share with his teammates. He can flank, boop people off the map and ruin their day in an instant while still healing everyone around him with zero effort(even if it’s not the strongest heal) and in a pinch can every few seconds make that healing even stronger by pressing E. He is ok in most maps and a must pick in some for easy kills off the ledge. He has extremely high survivability even trying to extend your point/payload presence by being so fast and annoying for the enemy team to catch up with. At any moment he use his gun to deal dmg or a sneaky punch or two while booping away anyone trying to crowd him in an unwanted situation. His ult counters almost every ult in the game right now. Sounds like a terrible pick ik… if only they made him better compared to you know who satan herself… that now no one wants to play for some reason even though she is still sooo good and fun.
Next we have ZEN!!!
Our favorite neighbourhood sniper bot. His heal is atrocious and he can’t run away from anything… saying that. He can heal without any effort or aim pretty much at any distance anyone he can see without walls blocking the way. In an instant he can use purple orb to make any target take twice as much dmg while at the same time if he gets the chance burst down both tanks and squishies if they aren’t careful around him. His ultimate can pretty much nullify any enemy ult as long as he is hugging his teammates and the ult in question isn’t an execute. They could make him better but compared to useful mercy he is just crap.
After saying all that let’s talk about the most broken support in game. MERCY.
Mercy can heal someone but since winstone has one of the lowest dmg rates in game(just based off of his gun not anything else he do including pressing V or dropping from jump on top of someone) and her healing was nerfed to be lower than his base dmg that means if literally anyone including an enemy mercy is just pistoling someone you’re healing they will do more dmg then what you are capable of healing up. But the beam is constant! Yes it is… and the people who still die are bad… Yes they are. In a 1v1 situation that is. While mercy is healing, unlike all the other supports i mentioned, she is utterly incapable of doing anything else. In that 1v1 situation where the teammate is fighting someone else she cant help… cause if they are already struggling and she whips out the pistol that person will most likely die even if the mercy gets the kill. Also in a team situation not only is her healing low… but it’s a single target heal. What does that mean? In a team fight when everyone is shooting your teammates and multiple targets, not just one, are focusing your tank… you cannot provide any support at all you are just delaying their death by like a second maybe and that is only if they stop focusing that tank while you’re entire team dies around you because you cannot stop healing them… if you do stop healing that one tank(not even talking about a two tank situation) then he will die even faster. So what do we have? a dead team and a mercy beaming a rein till he follows them to the grave. Great fun gameplay. Lets add to that the fact, once more, that she does nothing basically this entire time and her being there changes nothing unless your team wins the fight. Well she could stop healing and just shoot the enemy right? ofc! and then you don’t have any support at all and a very bad pistol that any other healer can pretty much counter the dmg of with a basic heal especially since it’s not even fast enough to be anywhere near hitscan and you can see the pallets coming at you from 10 million miles away very slowly traveling in your direction somewhat like lucios gun but deal less dmg. Let’s talk about her op ability to glide to teammates and their corpses. That is the only thing about her that is still fun to use but has a major flaw. Unlike lucio which is also a very mobile support… she can only use it with her teammates and can’t just fly around wherever she wants. A lot of the time it saves her but just as many times it makes her fly into a very bad situation. On top of that it doesn’t work unless there is someone to go to. Meaning she can never do anything by herself otherwise she loses that ability and on top of that she can only go where teammates go and cant make her destination choices. So i guess you can say looking around you frantically hoping to find a good position cause one of your teammates is finally somewhere that can benefit you is fun. Like really… not anxiety inducing at all. Let’s continue. Mercy can RESS and that means that her awful healing can be assisted by turning into a stationary(basically statue) figure for like 2 seconds where you can’t move in a shooting game… where you have to move… pretty much killing herself half the time even attempting to use that ability. Then she brings back a teammate where in most situations she died to bring back hoping her beautiful team can finish the fight with her corpse laying on the ground being just as useful as she is when she is around them and alive(in her current situation). Let’s continue! we have the ult now! She can fly around as slowly as phara does… letting all the snipers and hit scanners know that they can kill her and shoot her down out of the sky with the least bit of effort unless she desperately tries to find cover which just makes it a very unfun ability especially since they reduced the speed of flight in the ult cause it was harder for people to aim at her head when she was flying so fast for a few seconds, it was too unfair! and i agree why should she have the chance to stay alive during her ult when most other characters can… i mean… you get what i mean(the channeled support ults). On top of that her wonderful and powerful healing beam(not really) can split into little beams that deal even less healing, like a zen orb that you can barely feel… and with that! she can make sure her teammates DIE anyway. It’s a lot of fun. Mercy’s one and only ability that is actually useful(cause i won’t talk about the dmg buff which again doesn’t let mercy do anything other then hope her teammates have good aim or she’s fuc*ed simply because again she herself can’t do nothing) is her self healing which is a passive and that is the only op, in my opinion, ability she actually has that doesn’t rely on anyone else to work and can make her just a little bit more durable if she isn’t taking any dmg for a couple of seconds.
Looking at this she is clearly amazing and everyone should play her and still in a very very good state over the other supports. How can they ever shine? when you have such a big competitor. I don’t understand these mercy mains that keep complaining when she is clearly so powerful and yet balanced compared to the other supports. I understand why they have so much competition in pick rates with such engaging gameplay such as standing around beaming someone to no avail or standing still unable to dodge while ressing… don’t forget watching your whole team die while flying above them cause you’re using your ult! and my all time favorite boosting the dmg of your teammates (which no longer works on ults) as they miss every shot and die anyway. Let’s give some honorable mentions like pressing your shift when there is no one to fly to and taking out your pistol trying to be useful cause healing doesn’t work and dying anyway with all of them in a pile of corpses.
Thank you for reading! and don’t forget to point out to every mercy main you see what i just wrote that clearly shows they have nothing to complain about. <3
You’re forgetting that either people can be below their 200 hp or IDK maybe a good winston would attack with someone else? Wild idea right?
Every hero has counters Winston’s just HAPPENED to be Mercy. I’ve never seen someone complain about soldier countering Pharah.
Do you seriously think a support that only does healing being weaker than a support that can do more healing than them (and damage at the same time) is balanced.
Moira is very well designed because out of all the heroes, she has the most diverse ways to regulate healing output. That’s the entire purpose of her kit, to have the most adaptable range of healing abilities in the game.
So, let’s count them shall we. Keep in mind that all these sources of healing outputs come with a cost, be it resource or a cooldown, and they can all be stacked upon one another, some are better for different situations, or they can be traded in for offensive capabilities instead.
Held down LMB. (Resource cost)
LMB HOT. (No resource cost)
Healing Orb. (Cooldown cost)
On top of that, she can decide to trade out some of her healing potential in order to deal damage with the orb or RMB to gain resource back.
There is a world of decision making going on there, and that’s the purpose of her kit. Skill expression for her is all on decision making with resource balancing, and regulation of healing output, plus the tracking skills of her RMB. Her mobility skill expression is much less involved than Mercy. Mercy has to make a lot more decisions at a faster pace than Moira does when controlling her GA. This is all perfectly fine.
There is no flaw in Moira’s design. She is a very well made healer. If Mercy was given a little bit of healing output control like what Moira has, she would also be very well designed. I don’t want Mercy to have anywhere near the amount of healing output control that Moira has, because that’s Moiras thing, but she needs more than what she’s got, because what she’s got is basically nothing. A single tool to regulate healing output would be enough, that’s all she needs to be on par with the other healers in this regard.
You’re also forgetting that right now Mercy is the only main healer capable of healing through shields… something winston uses a lot to nullify Ana/Moira’s healing Ana will have to either wait for the target to get out of the bubble or her going inside the bubble to get heal hence risking herself… Moira same thing or use her orb which put it on cd.
But Mercy isn’t only about healing, she does damage boost she has the highest mobility among all of the other supports, two escape mechanisms and can heal targets that Moira can’t get to, she also has her rez an ability that is still one of the strongest abilities even after the nerfs.
Kiwi san you not bothering to even take the time to read my reply just shows that you are simply here to troll cause not only do you not have to read any of these mercy posts… you not caring about this character and not having anything pleasant to add to the conversation just makes you into a troll. Thx for coming ill see you around in a more relevant conversation. Bye.
FYI… if you find moira to be difficult to play and think she doesn’t have insane burst heal or survivability you must be one of them handicapped people i keep hearing about that struggle even with auto aim. xD No offense.
As I said Mercy WAS Winston’s counter and good Winstons attacked with either with a damage boosting Mercy or another teammate. Besides 50 hps is almost nothing for a support that only heals (yeah she only heals because to damage boost she has to stop healing unlike other supports)
Then revert her.
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I’m sorry if I come off as toxic but I’m done with people not doing any research.
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