Moira, a support, is better than most DPS

This is generally understood to be true.

A good fix would be to have her suffer a shared energy pool where she must be selective about which of her abilities to use. She needs a certain amount of energy to teleport, to heal, or to attack. If she deploys an orb to heal, then that orb would also tax her energy pool.

No its not. She deals consistent damage and her balls can be easily avoided. Good mobility and aim destroy her. There is a reason she is picked less in higher ranks, she is a noob stomper.

Also note that Moira was the first Blizzard solution to flankers and she couldn’t do it so they needed Brigitte.

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Absolutely wrong. Symmetra was the first Blizzard solution to flankers until they totalled her beam tracker. Unlike Moira, Symmetra stays in her lane as fallback support and defender, whereas Moira is all over the map in leading the charge.

Front line Moira with her pathetic range, short duration escape and slow as hell orbs? You have to be joking.

If you have problems with Moira who is playing as a DPS you suck at the game, plain and simple.

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No it is not show me any pro OW player who says her dmg is OP.

The only ones who are complaining about her dmg are those who keep trying to 1v1 cause yeah cause of self sustain. This is a team game and a game where you need to switch.

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Got to say, she’s strong in the 1 v 1 game mode.
Healing orb + slowly draining your opponent is kinda nutty on a hero that doesn’t take to much out of ya. In the team mode shes ok.

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Or perhaps there’s a combination of being hyper-mobile, having a long ranged tracker and orbs, and the ability to self-heal that makes her devastating in 1v1. My major complaint is that she’s better than Sombra 1v1 even when Sombra has her hacked.

Hyper mobile, you actually said hyper mobile. I am dying here, laughing this much cant be good.

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Thats just not true. She doesn’t deal nearly enough damage to do anything.

People who make threads like these should be placed in bronze where they belong because their understanding of the game is clearly of that rank.

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If she has the time to kill you then your aim is trash.
I got the same trash aim at the start and since I improve a bit I can deal with Moira as pretty much all char.
Dodge the dmg orb and she’s a free target.

Edit : Avoid fight in close room.

I think she does too much damage especially for the minimal amount of skill needed to do said damage.

The beam is rubbish in the sense it locks on through world details like stairs, ramps, corners of walls, even though the crosshair isn’t on you, I have seen it bend 180 degrees and kill me when I am behind her.

Orbs fire and forget and on certain maps she can do very well with them.

She is basically reaper level of skill needed.

My aim is okay I guess but 1 vs 1 the effort you need to kill her vs her killing pretty any 200hp hero is miles apart.

I wouldn’t have said her range was crappy… and she won’t cause anyone with a healer any trouble… but she’s great for chasing down ‘one’ targets and Orb is quite speedy for the same sort of thing.

I dunno… I think she’s in a decent place. Coalescence is stunning and builds fast.

:flushed:

My brains… it hurts…

Uhh… anyway, the thing about Moira is, she doesn’t do spike damage. Spike damage is what scores the kills. So, saying Moira is “better” than DPS isn’t true. Moira doesn’t score the kills, she just softens things up with a steady stream of damage, which will be countered by a steady stream of healing if the other team is doing things properly. Spike damage is there to punch through health quickly and score kills through the opponents healing and damage mitigation capabilities.

Says more about the DPS than about Moira…

She does 50 DPS… FIFTY!! If you can’t win please git gud!

Overwatch is not a duel game it’s a team game.

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Moira is a main healer, if she leaves everything to fight opponents then her whole team is dying around. Which is pretty bad for her team.
Her dps ability is just useful to scare off genji/tracer and finish off really low hp opponents…

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Winston does 60 DPS (But its aoe so it can spread a total of 180 dmg value on 3 targets but its still 60 DPS once he faces an aoe healing ability, has to reload thou)
Moira does 50 DPS and 30 HPS and that’s just the primary fire. (totaling 80 value points per sec if she’s taking damage or is hurt.) (Just as a fun fact s76 heals for 40 HPS with an ability with 15 sec cd)
The ord will do 200 damage over 4 seconds (50 DPS) and it can hit 3 targets just like winston(but for 150 dps), so its kinda safe to say that once you use dmg orb you are basicly firing a winston at the other team that will do 10 less dps(30 dps once all 3 targets are getting struck).
Meaning that once she uses damage orb she’ll do 100 DPS and heal for 30 HPS.(killing 200 hp targets in 2 sec and recovering some hp)
And then you have the option to use healing orb. (persoanlly i think this is the right thing to use unless you face vs stuff that can oneshot)
The healing orb will do up to 300 health over 4 seconds (75 HPS)
Now top that 75 HPS + the 30 HPS and 50 DPS from her normal attack 155 points of value.
70 DPS and 140 HPS that can do damage upon 6 other targets and heal 5 of your teammaters(+ your self) at the same time for 8 sec. (adding the orb math + the 3 targets that it will hit can cause a lot of mayhem without the moira player even realising it since it’s targeting is low key RNG)
Im kinda sure that moira does more then 50 DPS and i know that she’s weak atm but wanna know why she’s weak?
Moira is a main support that needs to be behind her team but takes healing power in order to heal. That good and all but if you look at the meta team atm its.
Lucio, Brigitte, Zen, Rine, Zarya & D.va.
Rine, Zarya & Brigitte and stop Moira from getting her healing power.
D.va can eat her ultbs.
Brigitte & Rine(with ult) can stop her ult (not sure if Grav stops moira ult or not, can’t find source on that and im to lazy to test it for myself)
You can’t heal teammates behind rine shield.
Im not sure if you can heal a teammate behind a Zarya bubble.

Moira on stats and how easy it is to aply them is insane, its just not the meta for her to shine. Since goats just destroyes everything, moira is basicly 35%-50% DPS so just like every other DPS she will suffer vs goats.

Got to add that she doesn’t have a fall off damage as well, and at her range most DPS will do less DPS then her with body shots and the probability of missing shots will slower there DPS even more.

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There is a little bit of a misunderstanding about how effective a DPS Moira is because she “steals” a lot of kills, Moira has near constant damage so the balance of probability means when two players are attacking a single target Moira has a higher chance of causing the last damage and getting credit for the kill, but if Overwatch credited kills on who did the most damage to a single target, Moira would see gold for kills just as infrequently as she sees golds for Most Damage.

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It’s Moira! Team, fallback!

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