Moira OP, right?

Yeah, yeah, “Moira doesn’t need to aim!!11!”

What about Winston then? His lock area on is almost double the length of Moira’s, he does 10 dps more than her, AND he can lock onto multiple targets at the same time. Go ahead, try it in the practice range.

I’m not saying that Winston is OP, hell no. I’m saying that Moira isn’t OP.

Winston is a bigger target and can’t heal himself

But he has 200 HP and 100 armor more than Moira, and more mobility than her. He doesn’t need to heal himself.

Moira is much more forgiving. She’s harder to hit. Winston is hard to miss. Even in his jump.
Moira in the other hand is invulnerable in her escape.

But it’s pointless to compare both cause I think everyone would agree Winston doing that is actually just his job. Moira doing that is like her being extremely good at a second job while already being the best at her first job.

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You can’t even compare them to be honest,

Winston has the mobility to jump into a fight then last long enough to jump out while doing mediocre damage, that’s the reason he is used to dive or focus low hp targets, he also has a big hitbox. He has fast ULT charge but his ult is also more of a crowd control than a damage ability.

Moira’s healing output is so high also phases away out of sight or back to safety with short CD, she also does damage while self healing plus has healing orb or damage orb to add to it. Then there is her ULT that can’t be blocked by shields

So I’d say she is OP but I wouldn’t compare her to Winston as it’s 2 totally different roles/mechanics (even though I just did)

In this day and age Winston melts faster than a butter on sun.

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Moira’s win rate is in the midfield. Granted, she has a high pick rate, but win rate is the more useful stat.

Her strength mostly comes from 2-2-2. There are only 2 tanks, so less protection than we’re used to, meaning we need healing. If you have a Zen, Brig or Lucio, you really need the Moira to help out with the healing volume since Mercy doesn’t cut it and Ana suffers from the shields in play.

And all the “she so easy to play” arguments don’t hold any water if you look at the supports througout all ranks - Moira is stronger in relation to other supports the higher the rank. Meaning she appears to be among the harder supports to play well. Everyone who knows that this game isn’t just about pointing and things and clicking knows this: bad Moiras will either be too aggressive or overheal and thus spend their ressources or prioritize damage over healing or fail to stay in a position where they actually can heal because they want to get in the damage.
Also also: weak D.Va leads to strong Moira. Eating her balls is massive.

-using winrate isn’t exactly accurate either as in older seasons torb and symetra had ridiculously high winrate despite being low tier picks

-i dont think anyone is saying there’s no difference between a diamond and a gm moria. It’s more along the lines that the amount of value she gives to a team compared to say a lucio or zen with significantly less effort feels very unbalanced.

and tbh i dont think moiras resource mechanic is as hard as people make it out to be, by the time i come close to running out i already have ult even without doing dmg to recharge it

i’d be fine with her numbers staying the same if the hitbox on her heal and dmg were alot smaller, and her orb didn’t bounce off walls

hell i’d be fine with a dmg buff if they made her rightclick more like a low charge zarya beam

Win rate is a very useful measure unless you have extremely low pick rate - which isn’t the case.

And I very clearly stated, that I was talking about Moira’s stats in relation to other supports. Meaning that while obviously every hero has better stats the higher the rank, Moira improves more quickly than other supports and other heroes in general.

The thing about her ressource: if it’s gone, it might just be a team wipe. So even if it happens rarely, it’s a drastic effect - you, as a 3.4k support player should never run out. 2k players will, leaving their team with close to no healing for a potentially pretty long time (can’t get aggressive with her ressource down, so she can’t start with the damage).
And again: D.Va. Imagine 2-3 orbs being eaten, suddenly the ult charge is a lot harder to gain before running out.

Taking the damage into account and ignoring the healing. Oh well

I have 0% winrate on moira on an alt account. I think i was dpsing too much :rofl:

-I agree that moira isn’t as mindless as people make her out to be.

-Her stat jump to gm vs other supports can be contributed to her kit being much more raw number focused than the other supports in the sense of put out as much possible dmg and heals over the course of a match. Where as the other supports use abilities that are not as well tracked by stats either due to a lack of focus on the presenting the important stats from blizzards end, or some that are just hard to measure since its about how effective they are when used, not how often. (speed boost, nade, immortality, rez)

-to be clear i’m not talking about high elo, because a top500 moira probably pushing them selves mechanically and gamesense wise to get everything they can out of the character

-it’s not that shes op due to double shield. its that she’s meta while being very low effort compared to the other supports. I dont understand why people can say she requires more mechanics or gamesense than an ana, lucio, zen, or baptiste. Even mercy i’d argue requires more gamesense and synergy with individuals.

Moira is not OP the meta is just making her favored same as Reaper/Sym,
Example being OP in this meta is more like Doomfist/Sigma by being strong on their own AND being favored by the meta.

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