i first want you to watch this normal quickplay match against this widow smurf: VJFPZE
i think already saw a thread about this however i dont really think it captivated what the real reason was why widow should be nerfed and today i wanted to show you how ridiculous her damage control is and how much she can carry a match that made me superstitious about widow pros in generally. that they do indeed do too much damage and that this widow can carry her team without even trying.
you will see this widow:
- instant respawn killing
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controlling the whole match under the tip of her finger
- has too much damage control
- no one is stopping her
Give me 2 minutes, I’ll load the game and watch. I’m curious.
What rank is this in??
First thing I’ll say… Immediately doubting “smurf”, their aim and positioning are a give away.
Around 1:40, a “smurf” would have double tapped the tank and killed it… They hit one headshot and didn’t even reaction to the tank moving. Then you killed him. So no. Not a smurf.
He’s also trying way to hard to go for the tank. A good widow, especially one smurfing, would have respawned and walked down mid to shot a shield/tank. They’d of gone on a wide path to scout for a squishy.
Another “not smurf” clue is the very low APM and the incredibly slow reactions/movement. At one point he didn’t even notice you flanking round him, even though the footsteps are so loud.
As for widow strong as a hero. Yes. But you’re playing a comp where you’ll be giving her a lot of time and space. You’d expect her to get value at that point. Your Sym needs to be tp’ing your tank directly into her face.
Yeah you lost this because the enemy supports popped off and your team (including you) got obsessed with trying to stop one person.
As for that “spawn kill” if it’s the one I saw. You wraith walked out of spawn in a straight line and she had Visor up so just watched you. Easiest kill. Not a lot you could do, maybe if you heard the ult being used, take a different door…
Widow probably still needs her mobility nerfed a little, or HP. She’s meant to be a glass canon. Powerful, but fragile.
ignore this post if you are reading my thread. just pretend wetwipe is this real thick brick wall that never agrees with anything except his other accounts he still has in overwatch
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I agreed that widow needs a nerf.
Your game though, isn’t a smurfing, isn’t a carry, isn’t much of anything.
Insulting someone because they actually reviewed the match for what it was is a really silly thing to do.
ok but im not interested in what you or your other account have to offer as reply as i dont really care for it.
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I’ve only replied on here. So I don’t know what your issue is.
Unless being told your game was just a standard game upset you.
That widow landed some good shots… But they weren’t very good. You probably should have gone tracer or sombra instead of reaper. That would have put more pressure on them.
You arre right though. Nerf widows grapple with a longer cool down and she’ll be better balanced. Still allows people to can consistently land headshots get value, but easier to coordinate a dive on.
When you’re right I’ll agree, when you’re wrong I won’t. You are partially right, widow does need some tweaks. Your game however wasn’t needed to get this across and is in fact probably detrimental to the point you wanted to make. Also, you’re playing part of the “one shot problem” in hanzo, so it does seem a little ironic.
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Hey Ozhev,
Agree with your brick wall comment, it’s good to make it clear to new/irregulars to the forum on who to take with a pinch of salt.
I’m not going to watch the video, but I agree that widow at times can be OP when in the right hands, a few nerfs wouldn’t go a miss.
Which is literally what I said. Thanks.
Hey,
Going back to one of your questions regarding WBA (the thread got locked by Blizzard lol). It is likely to be another dire seasons for the baggies due to the current owner that we have, we have a good manager but zero investment + carrying injuries, I haven’t watched many games of theirs tbf, I’ve had more fun watching Newcastle, ManU, ManCity - hopefully the Toons can continue their competitive streak…
I know WBA aren’t having the best of times… But watching Newcastle and Man Utd is better? I didn’t realise it was that bad.
Must be an extra kick in the nuts to see Villa in Europe. Even if it is playing teams only football nerd will know for half the season.
They’ll do that when certain folks detail it.
Honestly… I don’t see them finishing top 4 next season. Think Spurs and Liverpool will push past them. Maybe even Chelsea instead of spurs if Potch can sort that mess out.
I love the premier league, i generally have a match on the side monitor at the very least. The toons and the devils are a good watch for me.
Nah it’s a good thing they’re in Europe - that was their 5/10yr plan wasn’t it when you guys got brought out in the Championship? It’s just a pity we’re not playing a derby against them or Wolves at present.
I can’t see Tottenham being consistent without a good enough manager, I can’t even see Poch do a turnaround with Chelsea, and Liverpool have a rebuild to move out some of their aging stock.
watched most of it. The widow is definitely better than the other dps players but usually the thing with these players is that they are only that good on widow and usually not on other dps heroes. If these kind of players are up against a team that properly counters a widow, they lose.
Your team did not counter the widow enough. Your tank tried by going Winston (pretty late), which is the right pick, but an Ana usually cannot sufficiently heal a dive tank because they go out of line of sight. Winston + Kiriko would be a must against this widow. Normally the DPS could go dive aswell but in this case, it seemed the genji was still getting diffed (although he failed to jump together with winston + kiriko which might have made the difference, difficult to tell.) For DPS it might be easier to go Sombra and wait until winston dives the widow to assist.
Basically, if your team had a brain, they would have stand a chance though. That being said, a good widow can indeed carry a team. Same with a good tracer or even something harder to counter being a good hanzo. The thing with Widow is that it is the least fun to play against. I personally wouldn’t mind Widow getting nerfed because I never play her but if they take away her ability to one-tap people, she would be useless. So what can they do…
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Ok first off let me thank you for replying with such a great amount of feedback that i can work on.
The Winston was a good choice however i dont think he actually tried diving on the widow herself making it difficult to make a quick sweep with reaper as an example or use the Winstons distraction for the widow kill myself
But which would be a better outcome to swap, me or the genji?
Your hanzo is not a bad pick against a widow. However your reaper pick in the end was a bad pick. Genji should work well with Winston.
Idealy your tank should have switched to a Winston a lot sooner. From the moment your tank switched to Winston, again in the ideal scenario, Ana should have gone Kiriko. Both dps should have switched to dive dps (Genji, Sombra, tracer = considering they had Zarya, Sombra or Tracer are better picks since you cannot deflect the zarya so better to avoid getting hit). Your zen would become an easy target though if his positioning aint that great but he could always switch to Lucio, moira, brig for more survivability. Depending on the situation, you dive the widow or lifeweaver.
In most cases, if the skill level of the widow vs your team is not too big, just switching tank + 1 DPS to dive is sufficient though. But in this case, most of the team would have needed to switch (which is unlikely to happen ofcourse). + this dive comp requires teamcoordination, which makes it more difficult to pull off (however as a DPS, you just wait until your tank jumps the widow to assist). It is indeed anoying that one character, can just dominate the game to the extend that your whole team needs to switch. And in most cases, especially at lower ranks, your team will not make the effort to switching completely. But at master ranks, this is what I would suggest to the team and usually people will switch though.
Taking into consideration if your team wouldn’t switch, your hanzo pick is not that bad.
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Its pretty much the last hero i would like to play considering im not so good with her.
But i guess ill have to adapt when fighting against another widow in the future if my team is unwilling to adapt themselves.
wish they nerf her hp to 150
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This. Or make her charge up time a little slower.
Instead of being toxic, you could have come to this conclusion when I told you exactly the same thing lol
Oh im sure your mind honestly believes thats true despite ignoring everyones opinion but your own.
You see thats how that brick wall effect of yours works.
One could even argue what toxicity really means if one keeps reinviting himself in a discussion he doesnt belong in.
See, you’re being toxic.
Both reviewers said same thing, team comp fail, swap to reaper wasn’t the best move.
gold tip here rodimus: try to focus on the good things aswell. i played hanzo alot more than i did reaper. which was a good move said by Butra
also who are you to decide if reaper was a good or bad move? you dont even play the game.
how can you start pointing the finger at saying what is toxic and who isnt if you cant even look yourself into the mirror and see who you represent? ill spoil it for you:
some weeaboo with no life that criticizes everything and everyone but stays ignorant when facts are given to him redhanded.