I am one tricking Torb currently. If I get banned I get banned, OW is on sale so often it means nothing to buy a new game.
Now, Torb feels awesome. He can output ridiculous amounts of damage and is viable on most map types except for 2cp attack. However playing him I had to ask myself a very legit question: Whats the point of him existing when Widowmaker is a thing?
See, I can output all the damage I wanted but I cant secure kills directly because my projectiles do a meager 70 damage and hitting headshots with them is extremely hard. Meanwhile the enemy Widow can kill 2-3 people in a matter of seconds.
I know, I know, she is skillful, I don’t deny that. Problem is even a bad Widow can down a bunch of people when she is uninterrupted. The whole game has become such a cat and mouse with snipers and ways to take out such snipers a hero who cant snipe, cant kill snipers and is not Reinhardt/Zarya is practically useless.
Think about it, why would you ever go McCree or Soldier for example if the enemy is not running Pharah? Its pointless, the enemy Widow/Hanzo will kick your a$$.
At this point perhaps nerfing the snipers again is the only option? I know they are kinda the Mercys of the DPS where a huge chunk of people adore them and want to play them all the time but eventually the patience of the others will dry up.
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I mean there is something called Dive, Shields or especially counters. Which means if a Widow is annoying, you can swap to Winston or D.va and dive her, you can go Genji or Widow and Hanzo as well, as a support something mobile would be good, Moira, Lucio, Mercy, Brig with her little shield - all those are (soft)counters.
Because you might survive some situations better than Widow or Hanzo. Because you have a Visor to combo with an Ana, if you have one. Maybe because you are not as good with Widow as with McCree.
There is a reason for every hero in the game.
If it’s because for a situation or because maybe some people are more comfortable with Hero A then Hero B - but luckily there are more then one Hero for a situation so you can play the one you are the best with!
What do you want to do with Widow? That she can not one shot anymore?
This would make first, no sense and second why would you play her then?
I actually think Snipers are fine. They are in the game to punish bad movement or other mistakes.
If you peak at the wrong time you are dead.
Wrong step - dead.
= Punishing mistakes
But they are hard to play. You are easily countered, hard to play around your counters and you need to have a really good aim to play her. Because a bodyshop widow might now always be that useful. Especially if you can only get one shot on a target behind a shield. Then it basically needs to be a headshot or your target hides again and gets healed.
I think they are fine. Easily countered, Hard to play, even harder to play against your counters. And you can be useless very quick.
And by the way; I hear more often how useless all sniper players are, so I was really surprised by this ^^
Not really. Some are good in every situation, others are entirely dependent on the skill of your opponents, the third type are so niche getting better with them is utterly pointless.
I mean, get a winston ?
If a widow is in the back line there is nothing protecting her from a Winston.
So all those people who said “get a flanker” when invulnerable mass rez Mercy was dominating were right?
The new Torb, I think the turret needs a nerf, either fire rate, damage or lock on speed, other than that I like playing him and have killed a few widows with long range via headhots, quite enjoyable.
I have to agree that a okay widow can do a lot, body-shot fully charged, not much skill needed for that.
To be able to 2 shot many heroes (via body shot) as a skilled precision class seems a little bit of a contradiction, the head shots warrant they damage output even if the hit boxes in this game are pretty forgiving.
Right now the whole game is sniperwatch and for people on the receiving end of 1 shots and being killed across the map, it is not enjoyable, shields are the counter I guess but then tanks are punch bags for so many other classes.
I kinda agree with you. I know this is a shooter (somehow), but I just HATE getting killed by a widow or a Hanzo with lucky shots over and over again while I cant switch to Winston cause some idiot in my team is playing him, but not killing the widow ever… -_-
Well, nothing you can do about it I guess.
I mean Snipers are a big counter to torb as is brig to dive and dive to snipers. Its easy to isolate a widow but hanzo is harder not sure what snipers you are hating on since atm every sniper in this game so far is really different when it comes to fire rate dmg and even hit-scan and proj.
I dont know all i can say is to swap to something that’s not a torb when it comes to facing snipers. In all honesty as a widow main/hitscan player torb is just a big walking target with a huge head. You can caunter snipers with dive but im still not sure how to fully counter a Hanzo and will spontaneously shoot an arrow and kill someone, has good mobility, burns shield good combo and zoning ulty etc.
Playing Ashe atm and getting stuck in long reload animations really made me appreciate Hanzo’s infinity arrows as well. I dont know i have respect for the hit scan heroes in this game its not like they don’t get wiped out by 3/3 but yeah if you wanna play a torb its going to be hard and not just because his weak vs snipers but not every team will want to play around a torb unlike snipers that don’t requate too much team coordination. And i’ll be honest Torb primary fire is so good it might as well be on a level of the snipers. But the no mobility and walking target part of his kit are holding him back.
And we are back to the main point where some DPS are good in every situation while others must switch immediately if an uncomfortable for them hero is picked(which for Torb means a whole bunch of characters…)
Well it’s your own decision to main a gimmick hero. Everyone knows that torb can’t be balanced for every rank but he is a better pick then a 2k SR sniper if and that’s his place atm. The moment torb is a good pick, every player can abuse that so they can’t go to much no that hero. They nerfed his head hit-box and its still about 50% of his body expecting not to get stopped by snipers is ludacris. He has the worst crouch animation(basically non) and the moment he jumps his death to hit scan, his not mobile so ability heroes are good vs him as well. Can you really blame the snipers once your comparing them to that? Torb can make all the heroes look good lol. At lest now with the new molten-core ability he can face take a snipers head-shot and i think that’s the only thing that’s going for him atm.
His useless vs 3/3 meta (80% of overwatch atm) and his bad vs snipers, pharah, genjis etc. But with teamplay he can win games, if people wanna do teamplay that is. And i just loved the people who think that torb might actually be good vs Brig comps. So far it takes one lucio speed aura to make that ult useless.
Like 3/3 will just have run down any Torb comps without even needing to aim.
Pharah is the same… I play Pharah for two minutes, killing stuff, then someone switches to Mccree. I try to dive the Mccree and sometimes its an average player and I kill him. But often its a good Mccree and I have to swap immediatly cause im uttterly useless if I dont.
It sucks that I cant even play one hero for one match like this. Especially since hI havent yet found the best hero I can swap in this moments.
You should’t be banned for one tricking anything, not even torbjorn, however anyone that probably get triggered and then triggers you remember to use neutral words and to just keep playing like you always do, getting mad at others always ends up bad.
Your rank is low enough for you to not care about the enemy hitscans tho. Here in the low plat enemy pharahs can literally go point blank(cause they cant hit anything otherwise) and still survive.
Tell me a hero that has no reason to be in the game
Torb has no reason to exist actually. Even if you say that his turret is good at dealing with flankers…we already have a support hero who does it better. He is a unique design but ultimately he is pointless.
If a bad widow is doing good, she wouldn’t be a bad widow… It takes HOURS to get good at widow and be good in competitive.
Not really. If you have played FPS games before, she’s not hard. But playing Widow will make you pick up some bad habits when getting back to real FPS games.
Bastion , but he is easy forgettable since he is so pointless
Even Bastion has more of a place in this game than Torb.
Ok I think I found his niche. When overtime comes soak the payload in molten metal. This way even if the enemy wipes you they either cant touch it and lose or touch it and die. Pretty damn cool, lmao
Agree but there many dps heroes so many that i really see no excuse for dps player to not switch to have advantage, there so many choices there always something you good playing at, can’t say that about tank or support roster they are small, and its not like switching to another support will often fix something thats considering you can play it all which simply not realistic, same for tanks.