Very long rant on what i find is wrong with OW

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Alright, call me salty tank main or what ever, but i’m going to give you two cents of my mind and truckload of salt on your sandwhich.
This will be LONG rant so please bare with me, or dont, i’m not gonna make you read it, but if you’re interested, please go ahead.

I am a tank main, I started as Reinhardt and i used to love playing as him, but now since all the new characters and changes it has been really difificult to maintain my tankiness and usually it has forced me to switch into different tank, which is not completely bad, but the problem is that i have to solo tank. So it is impossible to go after the snipers and deal with them and same time protect my team. My play style is more defencive and i will try to keep the healers safe from genjis and tracers but it is difficult when there is also widow and hanzo.
Orisa has shield, but she is not good against genji/tracer killing the healers and i’ll be next if the DPS somehow manage to stay alive somewhere else. Usually my team in quickplay is 1 tank 2 healers 3 dps being widow, hanzo and someone. the last dps changes from doomfist, mccree, tracer, ashe. But it’s impossible to be solo tanking when the dps is somewhere else since snipers arent gonna contest on the point or stop the payload from moving so the Tank is onlyone who will be on the point/payload and then there will be the 6 enemies going after the healers first. So much fun to just watch from killcam how the payload is moving without problems since the widow/hanzo is just shooting on the damn shields.

Either make multitool tank that has mobility but also can leave a shield against the snipers and can go after them so they can do everything without anyone harassing them. I would also require somesort of turret that can keep my healer buddies safe from the harassers while the tank is going after something else.

Obviously that’s not gonna happen because it would cripple the game completely. But the ones we have now arent gonna work if there is nothing done about it.

You might try to suggest to take Winston, he has shield and can jump after snipers and the healer can come with you.
Pros: He has shield and can go harass the snipers, mercy/zen can give you heals especially mercy can follow you.
Snipers can be easily dealt with the zappers, tracer and genji are usually easily taken care of as well.
Cons: The shield bubble has SO little healt, if the enemy team also has Reaper, winston is done for even if all the healers are focused to heal him. Most healers cant follow him and as Ana, zen, lucio, brigitte, babtiste will be stuck on the ground and pretty much free kills since the tank is away and the bubble doenst last long.

So could we maybe get little more lasting bubble or take down the cooldown on it, it takes so long to get new bubble and most of my team is dead by then.

Reinhardt cant really do much either, when the shield goes down snipers can have all their free shots and when the shield is up there is plenty of enemies surrounding you and the DPS are supposed to keep those away from the tank, but that is very lucky to have team of DPS that will actually keep eye on the tank and healers instead of having a tubeview of what is happening meaning they will only focus on one character at a time, leaving the rest of us to take care of ourselves.

As many have complained D.va is pretty bad at the moment, she cant take much damage, the ult charge takes looong to charge because the damage done is so little and even the ult is pretty easy to counter unless you have D.va and either Zarya or sombra doing teamwork together then the ult can be devastating, otherwise it’s pretty easy to get away from.
D.va is Ok against snipers, but leaves the rest of the team completely without protection.

I’m not sure what hammond is supposed to be doing, since he is supposed to be tank, but the play style how he is supposed to be used is far from my style so i cant, at all.
I cant play roadhog or zarya either so someone with experience please do fill up what is good and what is bad with the hog, zarya and hammond.

Orisa is nice against snipers, but with long range weapon it’s pretty difficult to deal with the flankers. I would also love to suggest that since the ult is actually like a drum that will boost damage, but when the team is focusing to the attack, the flankers can destroy it instantly, so how about give it ability like the lucio boop and have it do it sometimes like the drum beat hits it will boop off enemies that are close to it, so you can keep it alive without having to be like a mom on it.

That’s what i have to say about the tanks at the moment, feel free to bring your opinion, but keep in mind if you dont actively play as tank, i’m not sure if you have enough experience on what is doing on with them, but then again, these days the tank play is so difficult that why would anyone have any interest in learning to play them anyway.

Next in line will be the Ultimate charge.
In the start everyone had the ultcharge going while the ult was active, then it was removed so you dont get the charge while ult is active, now i have learned that there are some characters(Ashe & Torb) that actually still DO get their ult charged even when the ult is active. Ashe apparently had a bug that when Bob was active the ult wasnt charging and it was said that they will fix it. For Torb, he apparently gets little charge too when there is still some of the lava left, so i’m just asking, how is that fair?
Especially since they said that Bob will be getting you ult charge while active, while bob can do alot of damage, contest, push the payload, but he is also supposed to get you ult charge so you can just toss Bob after bob after bob? I have nothing against Bob, i have alot against the whole deal he does and how much easier it makes for the actual player. I mean the player can stay away from the enemies while tossing bob there, so you’re all good and safe, occasionally try to take a shot, let Bob do all the work, it’s ok you’ll get another Bob in a second anyway.
So, how some you cant contest, push the payload or gain second charge while your ult is active with Torb turret, Symmetra turrets? Those do kinda same thing as Bob, he is just a huge turret that will aim at you if you’re in line of sight, just like Torbs turret.
So how about we make like this new ult for torb where he tosses Turret that sprays lava around and also aims at the enemies if they’re in line of sight and the turret also pushes/contests/charges the new ult as well. Sounds fair doesnt it.
How about symmetra ult, maybe have the massive shield and like group of turrets that will aim at people, contest/push/charge the second ult as well. Again does it sound fair?
So i’m suggesting that nobody will get the second ult charge during the ult or bring it back that everyone can get their ults charged during. Maybe decrease the amount that you can get from ult kills so you dont get ult after ult mess.
I already found it rather unfair that Bob can do all teh things as a player could, while he is just a bot and not even like the Junkrat riptire that you would need to control, but just like torb turret, even Dva cant contest when going in the meka or being thrown out.
Please do something about this, i cant find it very fair to play against team that has 7 players, unless you’re actually thinking like, well why dont you take Ashe if she is such a problem? Sure! I’ll start to main Ashe, but wait when we have 4 DPS and 2 healers, do you think the healers want to be healing when they dont even have tank to protect them? So remove your healers as well. Now imagine you’re against team of 2 tanks, 1 healer and 3 dps, how are you going to win against them? Or do you just rather think like who cares about victory anyway, just play what you want? Well, things dont work like that, I like to play tank, i really do, but it’s impossible when the team behind you pretty much requires you to do the work, but they will still call the healer off your back to have the healer heal them instead. If you play sniper, please learn the health packs in the maps so you dont need to cry for the healer everytime you take a hit, especially when you would have chance to just go and find the closest one. Isnt it the point as sniper to shoot and switch place so you dont become easy to spot? So how about little practice on that. Ofcourse you should call out for heals when you’re gonna be dead if you happen to go anywhere where you might be visible to the enemy, but just that you decide to stand on one spot and expect the healer to pocket heal only you, it’s not fair to the rest of the team.
Same goes for everyone, but since tanks are in the first line, they take the most damage since that’s their job so they will need healing often and a lot since they do have large heaths, so stay close, dont over extend unless you know you’re taking a risk and you might not be able to get away from there, just please dont expect the healer to run to you when you’re half way through the map.

Then we come to the Arcade problem. When there isnt any event going all we have is like 3 death match style games and Mystery heroes. Could we please get something else there too? As a tank main, i cant play the death match games since i dont have much experience of solo play, so it’s very difficult and mystery heroes keeps going into the same mold that the team with healers will win, or in payload maps if you get torb, orisa and some healer the game is about lost since you’re only relying to the RNG gods to give you something that you could use against them, but usually just one isnt enough. In my experience, my team has either 1 healer usually Ana and we wont see another healer in the rest of the match expect in the last 10seconds we get like 3 healers. Well thank you for them, but we would have needed them during the game, not in the defeat window. Even the daily change spot is about always at the “low gravity” or 3v3 team death match. I want my McCree duels, the all soldiers, even the shimada bros back, thou the last i liked the least but it was still such randomness that it was crazy.
Could we get the Overwatch back when it was about the craziness and fun? Personally i just lose interest when the game is trying to become more and more serious, it was more fun and more free when it wasnt always just “You have to take these certain characters to win.” What’s the fun in that, you have like over 20 characters but you can only use certain 6 to have insta win, try something new and you’ll lose for sure. It was more fun when you could actually take a character combinations and try to figure if it will work or not.
Bring fun overwatch back! Or am i just the only one who wants to have fun when playing a game? That’s about just asking the more laid back people to go away and leave the overwatch become new waste land of toxicity when all the serious people dominate.

Lastly i have problem with Smurfs. I know it’s super unpopular to be talking about them and it just brings money to Blizzard i get it. But you who actually dont see anything wrong with it, try to think outside of the whole “you” box and think about the rest 5 people playing as well. I’ve been so often in games just trying to play, but we get over-run by this one player who is like 56level. They obviously win when their player is like above diamond rank in comp and our best is about platinum. You might think “git gud” but think about it, who actually does change like “Well, i think i’m gonna be master rank player now.” then you get tossed against team of masters/grandmasters and your team is about platinum rank. You see, there is whole diamond rank skipped, so they cant even “level up” as player since they’re tossed against far too skilled players compared to their experience, they cant learn to do better since their play is not adjusted right. Just because you have a account that is gold rank doesnt make you gold rank player if your actual account is diamond and above. Thus the actual gold players will never get to climb out from the gold because there are the players in there who are infact much more skilled players and they just screw up during times when their account is about to be climbed out from their rank that they want to maintain on the Smurf account. Isnt that kind of cheating the game? Sure you can again reply “But i only use character that i dont know how to play.” Yeah, it does cripple you a little, but you still have more experience on the map layout, the point, how to capture it and especially when you’re against teams that are actually lower level, you can pretty much teamwipe them alone, because you know how to take advantage of certain situations that they actually dont know yet and you’ll just end up confusing their team, they will start blaming eachother for messing up and you just watch when they have absolutely no chance against you and your team. Sure it might be fun to you and care free nice way to relax isnt it, well it isnt for the enemy team, it’s not fun, it’s so much hardwork and it still doenst get to pay out because you know how to counter their team anyway, so no matter how much work they put in, they wont be rewarded for their work and recieve a loss anyway.
Then they move to quickplay and there are same problems, either smurfs of actually being overpowered by people who play way higher ranks than they do. Then they move to arcade to have fun, only to be countered in mystery heroes by steamroll combination.

To be honest, i dont know what you could do with the situation, except maybe making like extra servers for “pro” players, the ones who just want to have fun and the ones who want to learn to get better without being steamrolled by too high ranks. But even those could be ruined by smurfs, by making account that are low level enough to get in where ever and they will bring their actual experience with them, so no idea, unless you want to get rid of the smurf accounts and ban them.
Maybe other might have some ideas how to deal with this, how about you people who already own smurf accounts, how would you fix this so we all can have more relaxed games when we need them and not have everything feel like it’s ranked?

Sorry for the long post, but i felt like i have to say something before this game is brought down by all the changes to make couple characters over everyone else.
How about making the game fair again for everyone?
Thank you for your time.

PS. Is something left out? Do you feel like you’ve something to add? Please do reply with your experience, what gives you headache in overwatch, is there any simple solutions or should it be looked at much closer? Leave a message and maybe we can have someone look up to this and do changes in the casual player side for once, not always looking after the Pro league players.

Casuals are gamers too!

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Its not unpopular. Plenty of people realize what they are and what they do to the game, more and more will add their voices. Do not refer to youtube videos or several posters here who try to deflect the problem, it is a huge one.

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I would like to add, that it seems like Blizzard is only listening to the pro players (or very popular streamers) and they keep buffing their favorite characters/ nerfing the ones they don’t like to play against. Also, instead of adjusting certain characters, they just completely rework them or some of their skills, which usually makes the said character either op or useless.

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I agree. Those game modes were fun. Mystery is such a chore these days, and I don’t enjoy death matches either. (Though I do have to admit that even those are better than Lucioball!)

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Blizzard are either dishonest or have no idea what they’re doing.
They nerfed roadhog with reasoning that one-shot abilities (even though it’s a combo) are unfun to play against, then they introduced doomfist.
They nerfed ana because she was a powerful dps and heal but they introduced brigite.
They reworked symmetra and changed her gun because it was “unfun” but hey, here’s moria and brigite.
Certain heroes don’t get fixed because fixing them would make them more powerful than they already are, so leaving them buggy is easier than fixing and rebalancing.
For some heroes they have no idea what to do so they just keep “rebalancing” it into infinity and beyond.
They rework maps because the choke was an issue and then they make new maps with exactly the same choke.
They said locked roles queue won’t be a thing because it’s against the spirit of overwatch, but then recently they are considering it, why?
Creativity is at an all time low, new heroes and their abilities look more alike than they used to. I mean bob, let’s just buff torbs turret and call it a day, orisas mini grav, baptists right click is anas mini nade, etc.
But hey, at least we got a ton of “new skins”, which were not for us but for owl.
Their tos is the definition of social justice, report system is just a cheap solution.
Endorsements are horribly executed, you’re being bribed to endorse everyone you can instead of players that made an impact.
Argument is not if said heroes are balanced or not, but how often blizzard does opposite of what they say.
Overwatch is not a game for blizzard, it’s a “sport” thats fueling their business. Your opinion is irrelevant because you’re not that 0.1% of the playerbase, you’re not the “athlete” they’re looking for.
So a lot of people focus on their overwatch “career” instead of enjoying the actual game. Win at all cost, otherwise my career is at stake, my virtual icon bellow my nickname will change and people will think less of me.

I’m certain that you, as much as I did, thought to yourself when buying the game “it’s going to be so fun watching others play this game”

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I’m still having fun with OW after 3 years playing it almost daily :man_shrugging:

Not gonna comment on specific things people brought up in the topic before since it’s mostly uninformed and random preconceived false ideas.

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Cant you simply settle with having fun instead of poking your nose every time someone says they don’t?

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It’s a public forum, I’m free to point out the validity of the concerns brought up, just like you are to bring them up in the first place.

Plus it’s not like there are a lot of people here to do so like on the US forums.

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Hey, I am not denying you the right of being an a$$hole, simply pointing out better ways to spend your time.

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And yet you’re always the one insulting me because I don’t share your point of view, maybe it’s time to take a look in the mirror.

Thanks for caring about how I spend my time but you shouldn’t, I’m good :smile: :ok_hand:

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Well, popping your head in every thread that criticizes the game and saying how the folks there are ignorant, bad at the game or with false perceptions of their own skill level is a very demeaning thing to do. Its like you somehow understand things better either because you don’t complain or because of your rank. If you take this as an insult you must be quite fragile or quite ignorant yourself.

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Except I never used the word ignorant or said someone was bad at the game, saying someone is uninformed is not an insult, you can be unaware about something or have a preconceived idea, doesn’t make you stupid.

From my experience people on the forums complaining about the game often do have a false perception of their own skill level and they attribute their losses to things outside of their control, I was like that before so I know first hand. It’s not insulting either to tell someone they can improve if they stop focusing on these things.

I love OW and stay on top of what’s happening by reading or watching videos about it, that’s why I understand things better, not because I don’t complain or because of my rank. I don’t have the same data as the devs but I still probably know more than the average player posting a complain here.

And yes, calling me bum, a-hole and a few others is insulting, anyone would feel insulted being called like that by a stranger. I’m not a snowflake but idk you, you don’t get to call me like that.

Anyway I had a feeling the moment I was going to post you’d jump on me so I’m just gonna leave this topic.

Edit: I just checked and said once some low rank players were bad and I apologize for it, should have picked a better word.

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Me calling you those things has a concrete reason - you are a proud smurf. Smurfs have been hated throughout the years, they are not something new in Overwatch. Using a smurf is being a lowlife inside the game. I wouldn’t even bother with that, I am busier hating the smurfs as a whole after all, if you weren’t so concerned with proving how good they are. No, they, and by extension you, are not. Its that simple.

Far as the rest its like every video addressing problems with the game in a nutshell - you don’t know what you are talking about, I do. There are no facts, you, and whatever video you are quoting, simply state that complainers don’t know what they are talking about be it because they lack the time or the rank. Its a classic example of appealing to authority without knowing the simplest things. Like for example - high rank players will have none or very little problems with smurfs because its not possible for them to play with others who are much better than they are. Of course that means if they don’t have a smurf problem nobody else does.

Simple

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If we sum up all of the diamond and above players, assume they all have smurfs and are activly playing on them. And we furthermore assume that they all can carry a gold/plat game. (Because for example Mercy mains can’t) You still would’ve only a smurf in 1 outta 4 games. Guess how low the chance is if you calculate the actual percentage. Alt Accounts are not smurf Accounts. And not every low level player is a smurf or alt account. The game is still free to purchase in the stores and its also not the first shooter so a lot of people carry over things like aim.
Simple

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Whats the point of saying alt accounts are not smurf accounts if you’ve already calculated(complete BS by the way, you have no clue how many players are active during said times in certain regions, no clue how many accounts the smurfs have) that its impossible to face more than 1 smurf every 4 games? Sounds like lame uneducated excuses to me.

Hell, even if your calculations are right they are bonkers. You said they all have smurfs, diamonds and above are 10% of the population, since 12 players are in every game that means 1 SMURF EVERY GAME.

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I’ll look up the video i based my facts in the afternoon. Can’t right now. But still the point stands, a mercy cant carry you even if she is diamond on her/his main. Not every diamond or above even owns a smurf account. And there is a difference between an smurf and an alt account.
Smurf Account: Where you deliberatly try to drop elo to pwn on not so good players.
Alternate Account: An Rein Onetrick thats GM who wants to learn DPS while not dropping all the way to plat and getting reported because of it.

Lets still debunk your assumbtion that a smurf in every game. Not every “smurf” will play his main and not every “smurf” will be even capable of carring.
My support is mid master. My dps account is mid plat

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I never said there is a smurf in every game, sometimes there are more. I had at least 2 in one of my games yesterday.

btw you use smurfs, your opinion on the matter means nothing

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I use an alt account not an smurf, i’m not playing support on that account because i can’t improve while doing so. I explained the difference earlier.

“You broke a law some years ago. You are not allowed in court anymore for an argument”

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I was under the impression that an alt account is a different account in the same tier, not lower. There’s no actual definition on “smurfing” but I yeah, if you have an alt, didn’t de-rank and can’t climb with it to the same rank as your main, shouldn’t be considered as smurfing.

Alt accounts are only a problem in top500. because one player with multiple accounts in top500 robs other players from a spot in top500, the more accounts he has there, the more players he robbed of top500 slot. I’m still surprised blizzard is allowing it and that players are actually bragging about it.

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There is one key problem with the so called “alt account” . Nothing stops the owner from playing their best characters whenever they want. Its not like by making a new account you also make a vow to never play your best and only the role/characters you are not good at. The whole concept is believing that the owner is decent enough to not ruin games, I don’t.

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Smurfs get sorted out pretty quickly. And if it is an alt account the probability that he is suddenly deciding to carry this specific game with his main is low.